At this pace, I’ll either never change my car or will never buy a car again.
Jeep owners are the perfect target for this. Not exactly the kind of people doing a lot of research before purchasing a vehicle. Or else they wouldn’t buy a jeep.
Guilty as charged, I owned a total of 5 jeep/Chrysler/Dodge vehicles way back when. Moved to Infiniti, then Tesla (fucking got rid of it within a year) and now I have a Chinese BYD with every telematic disabled.
Haha. Yeah man, you’re not hyper focused on total cost of ownership. They know their audience!
I love how that saying this is a software glitch is somehow supposed to make it okay? Motherfuckers, you took time and money to develop the thing. In doesn’t matter that it wasn’t supposed to be deployed right now. It matters that it was developed at all.
This is my tinfoil opinion, but I wouldn’t be surprised that it was done on purpose to gauge the public reaction and setting the pace of rollout.
The timing is too perfect knowing damn well that Republicans won’t legislate that.
I design UI for systems infinately less likely to kill you when distracted than a vehicle interface.
The only possible glitch is that this is appearing before it was supposed to.
Being triggered specifically when the vehicle is stopped shows a lot of thought on the cover your ass for saftey lawsuits front, that was no mistake.
You can share my tinfoil if you’d like. I got enough for both of us.
Should we start a thread showing off our tinfoil hats collections? 🤣
The heck is “instant opt-out”? As opposed to what? Not being able to close the ad unless you buy the product?
My 17 year old car is at almost 200k miles and I just dumped over $2k into it to keep it going to a quarter million miles to try and hold off having to buy something new.
Cheaper than a car payment… By a lot. I budget about 1500 a year and just act like thats my car payment.
I buy used cars. I had an X-Trial I bought 8 years ago for £2000. It lasted 7 years. I did basic maintenance myself like brakes, oil, etc. on the end the flywheel needed replacing. To the scrap it went. Bit 2o for 7 years!
I had to give up my '08 manual transmission rear wheel drive technodumb car last month due to it finally going downhill (in its operation and in the easiest direction to push it). Will miss the fun, and the privacy.
My condolences.
Why do I keep seeing companies blame shit like this on “a software glitch”? Like, fuckin, no it’s not. And no one believes your bullshit either.
I can’t stand when they lie to us and it’s not even plausible. I saw an ad for some technical school or something and it proudly proclaimed “Our only goal is for you to succeed”. Like, no it fucking isn’t! You’re a for-profit business; your goal is to maximize shareholder profits while (hopefully) providing a service. It falls apart when you think about it for even a moment…
It’s a glitch that it rolled out today instead of next week.
That or the dumb fucks in charge of these companies still think it’s the 90’s where everyone thought that machines would suddenly gain sentience.
always a “software glitch”
That’s the easy “justification” used 99% of the time. Every single company. Fuck them all.
At this pace, I’ll either never change my car or will never buy a car again.
!micromobility@lemmy.world is an option.
But yeah, with all the telemetry they’ve tacked onto vehicles, feels like you need a digital and electrical forensics team to disable it all
Tempering with it will breach your warranty.
Included warranties are typically very short and extended warranties are worthless.
some merit here older car, just cut it out and own it properly lol
Only if they find out.
well not getting all that data will be a tell tale lol
Easy solution: plausible deniability. Play dumb.
“I dunno, man. I just turn the car on and off. I don’t know anything about car computers or whatever.”
Them: “Did you take it anywhere to get it serviced?”
“Just to get my tires inflated.”
The fascists are already dismantling the CFPB. I’m sure the FTC will be on the chopping block soon, too.
So who’s going to stop them when they flagrantly ignore the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and refuse to honor your warranty for having your car serviced somewhere other than a dealer?
And who’s going to stop them from claiming you did either way?
The warranties are trash anyway. I’m not for the warranties in the first place, just pointing out that you could claim plausible deniability if you needed to while still ensuring they don’t get to surreptitiously send your driving data to your insurance company.
Them: Hey Sal! We got another liar that says he didn’t go through the 20 steps to disconnect the telemetry and thinks we’re gonna believe that some tire inflater just did him a solid without telling him…
Cutting a wire for a cell antenna doesn’t take 20 steps.
Yeah, it’s right in the wheel well 👌
Jeep/Chrysler have always been banned from my life.
Garbage. Worse than any other American car company. They even managed to screw up cars made for them by Mitsubishi.
Can confirm. Had to buy a Pacifica because I needed a wheelchair accessible minivan and only Pacifica offered the features I wanted. Absolute piece of shit of a car. I don’t think I ever regretted any purchase as much. I would 100% compromise on the features I wanted had I known how much this car sucks. I’m talking about a brand new 2024, very well equipped car. Do not buy a Chrysler. I can shit on this car for days AMA.
I got the Pacifica plug in hybrid because it was the only minivan with any electric option. I have never regretted it so much. Every time I turn on the car it wants to connect to my Wi-Fi and update. I don’t want updates I don’t want my car to change and I don’t trust that they’re gonna do something shifty if I connect it to the internet. After having it for a year the transmission went out so I try to bring it in but it takes 6 weeks before they can see me. Finally they can see me and they take 2 weeks to look at it and diagnose. Then 4 more weeks to fix it. Meanwhile they keep telling me it should be done next week every time I call. Absolutely worst experience ever.
American cars are so bad. We did ~3000k of driving last year in the US and noticed that most of the cars on the road were new. Didn’t take long to realise why - between terrible driving standards causing them to crash regularly, terrible build quality causing the interior to fall apart, and needing to drive EVERYWHERE so you flog the thing out in about 12 months vehicles are practically disposable.
There were late model cars still rocking the flashing brake light as an indicator wtf lol
They are selling right hand drive converted Yank Tanks in Australia. They are double the price after shipping, rhd conversion and making them compliant. They don’t fit on our roads at all and are very restricted with payload and towing because of car licence weight restrictions. To tow more you need a truck license (light rigid).
They also have no spare parts here in Aus. Plenty of “overlanders” spending $25k to get it towed out of the outback, back to a major city and get parts flown in from Detroit. They are too heavy and wear out components on the dirt. They are built for highway only
If you want a “truck” in Aus, you buy an Isuzu or Mitsubishi cab-over truck which is like US$35,000 with a tray or box.
the cybertruck does that. it’s still allowed.
No wonder they don’t sell it anywhere else - wouldn’t meet local safety requirements.
I liked a recent BYD Shark teardown video by some American mob… Their biggest complaint was that it was “overbuilt” lol
Fire up them tariffs lads, protectionism is the only thing ensuring sales.
It’s a Jeep so you’re really gonna need that warranty too, lmao
Had a chat with a fella on that other site a while ago who said he wanted to buy another Grand Cherokee after being from a Jeep family and previously owning Jeeps… And ended up getting a lightly used BMW X5 for less money, more power and a better interior. It’s probably going to last him longer too. And that was one of them fancy uber complex V8 X5’s that Americans prefer. If you get one with the inline 6 (particularly the diesel 6 that isn’t available in the US lol), the engine is also rock solid.
JEEP: Just Empty Every Pocket
If you can move somewhere with public transit, it has changed my life
Unfortunately, public transportation in my country is garbage, and I’m being considerate with that word.
Public transit might be great, but it is certainly not ad-free.
Read a book and it might as well be.
At least those ads don’t track you and you can ignore them.
Yeah, but I don’t own the bus
At least you didn’t spend $40k for the privilege
Mobile phones and earbuds solve that problem for the most part.
Yeah that’s my reaction. Also public transportation changed my life for the year and a half I used it, by eating up zn extra hour a day of my life. My 15-minute each way car commute became 50 each way, very consistently. I finally got fed up with it and went back to driving.
Does it have to be? Are you not exposed to billboards while driving? Radio ads?
Public transit has other benefits. You can read a book, play on your phone, and don’t have to worry about parking.
“Does it have to be? Are you not exposed to billboards while driving? Radio ads?”
Not really in the UK. Minimal bill boards and ad free radio if you stick to the multitude of BBC channels.
I haven’t followed Kotaku for years. Did they give up on covering video games? Car manufacturing isn’t even adjacent.
That was my immediate reaction as well. I guess the AI author forgot which blog it was posting to.
Didn’t they get caught up in the hulk Hogan dick pic scandal?
They are/were a Gawker brand, so they’ve always been garbage.
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Now that’s quite the combination of wordsIt was a sex tape, my bad
a glitch where we had our ad team write the marketing material and setup a call center that would process these policies on the backend and training the backend call center staff to process these policies and built out backend systems to store and process said policies and a mechanism to push ads to the car. Besides all the a total glitch
Are there still some e cars without bloatware and privacy issues??
Here’s an article from last year. It’s Australian, but I think it likely that car brands have the same or similar privacy policies wherever you go.
In short: Tesla and Korean brands are the worst. Japanese brands apart from Mazda are the best for privacy.
There’s also the Mozilla.org Privacy Not Included report
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/cars/
They have Renault as the least creepy and Nissan as the most!
Not really, they’ve all had telemetry for probably 20 years.
The cars with satellite radio are even worse (which isn’t saying much, since they put modems in cars about 20 years ago)
My 2016 doesnt have a modem. It has a Sirus radio…but sirus operates one way and has no way to communicate back.
My Japanese export 2016 doesn’t either. Aside from the fact that we flashed the head unit with custom software, there’s nothing for it to connect to in my country anyway.
flashed … custom software
Any hints on where one might find details on this?
No, satellite radio is not bi-directional.
I had literally just recommended that my brother in law check out jeeps for his next vehicle. I have just corrected that recommendation! No jeeps.
