Yeah why would anyone pay 700 bucks for a highly restricted device, that can’t even play games online without an additional subscription. Just get a Steam Deck, which costs less, is portable, doesn’t require subscriptions, and basically works like a full PC.
I have a Steam Deck and a PS5 that I will be replacing with the Pro when it ships. So to give you an answer: I’m not going to be plugging a Steam Deck into a 4k 65" OLED TV with VRR. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Steam Deck, and I also enjoy PC gaming when mouse and keyboard makes sense, but sitting on the couch in font of a giant responsive display with amazing colors is by far how I enjoy gaming the most.
Ok but why are you replacing the regular PS5 with the PS5 Pro?
Because to me it is a worthwhile upgrade. If you compare the image quality in FF7 Rebirth specifically in the 60 FPS modes the differences are significant. The ray new ray tracing features in F1 2024 for the pro also made a big impact on how that game looks.
In general, I don’t like gaming at 30 FPS and I’ve been noticing that developers don’t always do a good job with their choices when dialing it back to get 60 FPS. For example, I’m holding off on buying Black Myth Wukong because their performance mode looks flawed right now, and I don’t want to play it at 30 either.
Quick question though, why not buy a PC and link it to the tv? The features you’re talking about are also on the PC and you’re not limited to their proprietary services and file formats.
Not sure why people are beating up on @nxn@biglemmowski.win for saying his opinion. Different people value different things.
I think I can answer your question though. Buying a console is a plug and play experience. Building a PC is not. Not everyone has the time, the patience, or the technical experience required to purchase compatible components, assemble the machine, and install the various software.
Anyone that’s ever bought a prepared meal has overpaid in comparison to acquiring the ingredients, prepping them, and cooking the dish. It’s worth the price to do so because I sure as hell don’t want to spend time making a bowl of French onion soup.
I actually get that. Was just curious. My girlfriend uses a PS5 and loves it tons whilst I game on PC. Both totally understand each other haha
I can’t even imagine telling my child self playing Joust in the arcade about people like you…
ok boomer
I’m 47. You do know boomers would be adults by the time those sort of games were out, right?
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60 fps is good enough to justify the upgrade? Could build a PC capable of well beyond that for not much more…
Yes, 30 FPS at best just makes my inputs feel laggy, but usually it also strains my eyes and has given me actual migraines. Bloodborne was the worst offender because of the need to focus on choppy animations of bosses.
I’ve already answered the PC build question, but to summarize: any comparable build to a PS 5 Pro that uses new components from brands that make reliable hardware typically cost over one grand USD. Also most people that I see recommend these builds typically don’t even bother including peripherals like a controller and kb+m in the cost. Not to mention that by going into the budget gaming PC route will also generally require additional time to tinker with graphic settings in each game to try and get adequate performance.
Anyway, I’ve done this before, I had a higher end PC in my living room hooked up to my TV a few years ago. The experience wasn’t terrible, but also wasn’t as good as just having a console where everything is designed to be operated via controller. So honestly I don’t see the point of paying extra money for something that seems like the worse option for me.
I’ll be building a higher end gaming PC with a 480hz OLED display in mind next year, but yeah, I won’t be using that from a couch.
Gotcha. For sure the jump from 30fps to 60fps is a lot more significant than a jump from 60 to 120+
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Yeah … And I asked why. 🤦♂️
Yeah I totally skipped that word, my bad!
You can use a controller on PC and also connect to this display with the same responsiveness and colors. I always thought consoles were for the exclusive games and to play with friends, not performance or graphics.
You can use a controller on PC and also connect to this display with the same responsiveness and colors.
I’ve done this in the past when I had a desktop near my living room TV. I don’t these days and the experience wasn’t good enough to justify rearranging my house rather than simply buying a console.
Also, to get ahead of the people that are already twitching at the opportunity to inform me that I could build a dedicated PC just to keep next to my TV for gaming: Sure, but the cost of building one with similar performance to the pro, while using new components and avoiding Ali Express brands that may start a house fire one random evening, is over 1 grand at a minimum.
I always thought consoles were for the exclusive games and to play with friends, not performance or graphics.
Please, by all means, go email Sony and tell them to not bother with PS6. Tell Nintendo to drop what they’re doing with the Switch 2. Us console gamers simply don’t care about performance or graphic upgrades. Surely they should have learned this by now.
Makes sense, didn’t mean to yuck your yum. Just seemed like your reasons were surmountable with cheaper alternatives and an additional system seemed to me like a large cost. But you want the console, and it seems a solution that better fits your wants/needs.
For Europe it’s 800 EUR + disc drive + vertical stand, almost 1k in total. No thanks, Sony 🤡
I’m a huge fan of the deck and use mine daily, but that is just stupid. These are entirely different platforms with different purposes, and deck just fails at new games. I see so many cases of people saying it runs new games perfectly and realistically you get 20 fps on low
deck just fails at new games.
That assumes the PS5 has games worth playing in the first place.
Multiplatforms count, which is most major games now
I’ve seen very little worth playing on any consoles. Conversely, my problem with the Steam Deck is finding time for all the games I want to play.
The specs on the Steamdeck are pretty underwhelming, and the cost of storage upgrades is outrageous. I was thinking about buying one yesterday, so I just looked at all the specs. It’s due for a second version, but that’s not coming for at least another year. So, I decided to build a mATX computer instead. But I don’t care at all about the portable aspect, so I’m probably not their target demographic.
30$ for 500gb, what the fuck are you on about storage being expensive?!
Compared to what I’m used to regarding storage upgrades on other highly integrated devices like smartphones for example, the storage upgrade costs of the steamdeck seem much better and fair.
Compared to just buying a hard drive for a PC.
A quick look on eBay suggests the only people buying them seen are scalpers.
Hope they all get fucked on this one.
It’s already at scalper prices, the fuck are they going to sell it for? Lol.
This is a bit off topic, but it made me nostalgic. My first argument on reddit over a decade ago was with someone, either a scalper or a contrarian, trying to argue that scalpers provided a useful service that made things more fair, rather than assholes creating scarcity so they could profit selling a solution to a problem they themselves create.
So yeah, I hope they all get fucked on this one, too.
Oh they all say this shit, must be included in the standard issue dickhead guide book
This is why I like seeing new tech with a high launch price. Even if I want one, I’m patient, and it would be worth seeing a bunch of scalpers get fucked from just assuming that initial demand will set the price even higher.
I hope they thought they had to wait in an uncomfortable line to grab the ones they got and that the store only offers exchanges and no refunds.
Be nice if it actually came down in price eventually though.
Oh yeah, not just for others who want it but also to cause max pain to scalpers when others can get what they want to sell for cheaper than the scalpers paid for it in the first place. If the price stays the same, there’s a good chance the scalpers will be able to at least cut their losses by selling at a slight discount (or even at par if they find the right location for a “you could have this in your hands right now instead of having to go to the store” kinda deal).
- Negligible performance/visual increases.
- Expensive
- PS5 still has NO GAMES
If you buy this thing, congratulations! You are an idiot!
uh what are you even talking about?? It has block-buster console sellers like Concord
Astro Bot.
Bugsnax. mfs dont know what they’re talking about smh my head.
We talkin’ ‘bout Bugsnax?
Best psychological horror game in years.
Not quite. You’re forgetting about BattleToads
It’s not console exclusive, though
And no drive, so it’s not like it only does movies
I can’t wait to buy movies from Sony only to have them invalidated a few years from now.
Hey now there’s like 2 games.
Not enough to make me buy a PS5 but still
C’mon, PS5 has great PS4 games, like Horizon, God of War, The Last of Us, …
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Sony is so out of touch it’s actually insane.
I think everyone should ditch consoles too, but I don’t understand the “no games” comment, I’ve played through Elden Ring, Returnal, Final Fantasy 16, Final Fantasy 7 Intergrade, Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo 7…
There are clearly games for it, what gives?
There are only like 2 or 3 games that can only be played on a PS5 and nowhere else. Exclusives are one of, if not the most important part of getting a console, IMO. Like, why would I get this specific console if I could get any console or a PC and play the same games? I’m either going to get what’s cheapest or go full bells and whistles and build a beefy PC.
Most of the PS5’s exclusive games are actually just PS4 games and don’t even have the enhancement features offered by the PS5’s hardware. If you have a PS4, there’s really no reason to upgrade to a PS5 unless you really wanna play the Demon Souls remaster or Astro Bot. Out of all the games you mentioned, only GT7 (and Retrograde tho I don’t know if that is timed or completely exclusive; they pulled some fucky-wucky with that one) is exclusive. All the others are multiplatform.
That’s also why the PS5 Pro is just dumb. There’s not much taking advantage of the current hardware, and they wanna sell you more hardware to go underutilized ?
All that stuff about exclusive games just sounds like sunk cost fallacy. I don’t understand how a consumer benefits in any way from exclusive titles, or how a consumer is harmed from having access to multiplatform games.
If someone gets a PS5 for a PS5 exclusive game, why wouldn’t they want the option to play other games on there as well?
I do ultimately agree with you though, the PS5 Pro is dumb - and neither the regular PS5 nor any Xbox seems worthwhile compared to PC gaming
It’s gotta have some reason to buy it. If it’s not the price, and it’s not the power, it’s the library. Sunk costs don’t even come into play for someone who is looking to get a game machine trying to decide what to buy.
Nobody wants to pay $310 ($80 for a disc drive, $30 for a stand) more for a machine that looks better if you pause the game and squint hard.
Here’s a good example:
Can’t see it? The PS5 Pro has added reflections on Venom’s back and right shoulder. The texture on the door of the Jeep is marginally improved.
It really is tough to see the doubled framerate when you pause the game.
What if I told you it’s not going to double the framerate either?
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2024/09/11/psa-ps5-pro-enhanced-games-may-only-run-at-30-fps/
The picture that you posted was from a demonstration showing the Pro mode looking similar to Fidelity while running at double the frame rate.
No point in high fps when consumers don’t know that their tv is only 60hz and they still have whatever motion smoothing options still turned on.
Well I’m a consumer and I can guarantee you that i can tell when a game is running at 30 vs 60 fps.
Still not buying a Pro though.
Pause twice
Just gotta pause faster!
It’s more, almost only, visible on the enemies venom is destroying. Overall it’s slightly less blurry.
Wait is that really how blurry it is in game? That would make me sick trying to play a game like I was nearsighted constantly.
I’m sure it got jpegged to hell by the various sites sharing it.
I am just going to wait until the prices go down in the fall and there is still plenty left and buy a PC.
You had me in the first half, ngl
$700 for a console that’s barely even better and in some ways is worse. What a deal!
In what ways is it worse?
No disc drive
It’s not an option at all? I paid extra for the drive on my PS5, but tbh, I haven’t used it and I don’t foresee that I will use it. I can’t even remember the last time that I bought a physical game, and I have a dedicated LG UHD DVD player for movies.
It is an option, and uses the same drive that is available for the PS5 Slim - the one you have.
The PS5 in general has just felt like a nebulous console. I don’t know if it’s just me not being as connected to console gaming anymore or what, but there’s no PS5 games that are “must play” or anything that I’ve seen/read/heard hype about that has made me really interested. Partly there was the Covid years where it was apparently facing shortages and during that I just switched my mind off to the idea that I’d ever buy one. It’s been out for years now though, but nothing about it makes me care to move on from our PS4 that’s still chugging along.
Plus if you wait a few years PlayStation will release it on Steam and then you can play it on the deck.
I’ve been hoping that for years with bloodborne 😢
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It’s been a really sad console generation. It could be because I got a steam deck, but only Nintendo seems to be putting out 1st party games that are any good (and even then it’s been hit or miss).
Why buy a console when for roughly the same price you could buy a PC that does everything the console does and more? Yeah $700 is an insane price for what is effectively a toy.
It’s about the same as the inflation-adjusted PS3 price, but here’s the thing: the PS3 had a difficult first couple of years. If not for the Red Ring of Death, Microsoft could have come out ahead that generation. One thing Sony is good at is capitalizing on its competitors’ mistakes, and combined with price reductions on later models, they pulled out a victory. Being >$750 inflation-adjusted dollars at launch wasn’t why it won.
Also $700 isn’t going to buy you much of a PC if you don’t have one already. Maybe mid spec 1080p.
Not that I’m arguing for PC. I’m pro-console in most circumstances. Only for power modders, power gamers or power purchasers would I maybe argue that PC is the better route. Everyone else, console 100% (except this joke of a console).
Because PCs are worse for living room/controller gameplay, you have to deal with Windows or Linux, and many other factors?
I very much enjoy playing PC games with a controller on a big TV away from my desk. With an optical HDMI cable I’ve never had issues pushing 4k, 120hz, and HDR. Bluetooth mice and keyboards are incredibly common. And 8BitDo’s “Ultimate” controller has been really great over 2.4ghz.
It’s not the price point. Most of the people who’d be in the market for one wouldn’t buy it because it doesn’t take discs. When I bought my PS5, I specifically bought the disc version. So I’m not going to ‘upgrade’ to a machine that doesn’t have one and only really offers ‘improved performance’ as its main selling point. It just doesn’t make sense.
If you’re new to the platform and are used to buying only digital, it might be more palatable. But as someone who’s been with Sony since the very first PlayStation: I’m gonna pass.
Are PS5 games even playable offline straight from discs? Do you buy them just to save bandwidth?
These days I just assume nothing’s playable offline. It’s not like my PS5 is ever offline anyway, so it’s not really a point of concern for me.
The actual reason I like physical games is because they’re generally cheaper when they just release and get discounted far sooner than digital games.
For example: Armored Core VI costs 69,99 euros on PS Store.
An online game store here sells it for 19,99 brand new. That means I can buy a copy for myself, I can gift you copy, buy a third one to light on fire as a sacrifice to the gaming gods… and still have money left over for two frozen pizza’s.
That’s why I like physical.
I would have paid $700 for the Pro if it came with everything the 30th anniversary edition had, and maybe a little more if it also included the Portal.
Unfortunately, Sony can’t stop tripping over their own incompetence and limited the units to 12,300 for a reason that can be simplified to be: “money.” So it sold out in less than a minute to scalper’s bots and can now be found on eBay for five times the price.
You forgot the 10k for “Attempting to buy the ps5 pro for you” lol
I don’t get the hype for the anniversary edition.
I haven’t heard it would launch, and one day I saw people offering 2000$ for one on a trade site. My only thought was “wow, glad im not a fucking idiot like these guys”.
I sure might be stupid, but not that stupid.
It’s mainly the colors, but it came with some extras as well. And a paperclip.
Like I said, about $300 overpriced even with the additional items and only hyped due to limited edition. How many times has Nintendo released a console in NES colors without making it limited? Just a ridiculous move by Sony.
A 700 dollar console with no games.
There are a lot of great games for the PS, though.
But it has ray tracing and 8k graphics or someshit. How amazing.
isn’t it the graphical equivalent to an rtx2070 or something?
That’s already halfway through it’s lifecycle
30fps! 💪😡
Did people get bitchy on the internet when they released the PS One, the PS2 slim, 5 generations of PS3, or the PS4 Pro? Or the Xbox One X, Xbox 360 E, the Switch OLED, 2DS, DS lite, Gameboy Advance SP, Sega Genesis 2, Sega Genesis 3, Sega Saturn 2? I certainly don’t remember this much discourse back then. It’s like every gamer on the internet has collective amnesia about mid generation refreshes and how they have existed since the dawn of console gaming.
Just as always - it’s probably not meant for you if you’re perfectly happy with your base model.
And just like all those multitude of prior examples - no, they certainly will not release games that ONLY work on the mid cycle refresh device. Because that would be a really poor financial decision. And can you imagine the discourse if you had to buy a $700 console to replace your $500 console so you could play all the newest first party titles? On a device that has likely 4 years max before it is subplanted by the PS6? That would be a far more justified upset in my opinion.
This makes no sense. Why would a company want their product to be sold out? The goal is to balance supply and demand. So they SHOULDN’T sell out. It’s not a limited edition product or anything. This post is sensationalized as fuck.
I think they’re implying a comparison to the PS4. It was notoriously difficult to get a PS4 for months after it’s release because it was constantly sold out
Um, 5. That was the ps5.
Thank you, forgot the PS5 has been out for a while lol
I think that the perfect storm of high demand and low supply ha. I’m sure Sony didn’t want that outcome.
He’s saying that it’s a good thing it hasn’t sold out yet, allowing it to have plenty of supply for Christmas season. It’s a good thing due to the PS5 previously being sold out everywhere last Christmas.
While I think it’s still too high a price point for me personally, it’s at least a logical increase in price because supply and demand has caused it to be increased.
This happened with the ps3, the chief at playstation at the time said we wouldnt be able to find them at retail. My friends and I made some fun snapping pics of them sitting on shelves.
We were way into the game news scene at the time.
The PS3 also had damn few games to play at launch. If it wasn’t for Sony’s decision to ship it with a BD-ROM drive it probably would have been a total flop. Home theater nerds saved the PS3.
And I’m thankful for that because, when the promotion was right, I bought one. Warhawk, MAG, Demons souls and KZ2. What a great generation of games.
Playing Killzone 3 right now and I still find it impressive despite having a PlayStation 5.
The price alone isn’t the problem.
If the launch came paired with great new games it would be a whole different story, like as if it would be a new generation console like a PS6 with new exclusive games I doubt that the price would even be an issue. People would still complain, but they’ll get over it.
From what I’ve seen it’s practically only PS5 ‘Pro Enhanced’ games, which are mostly games that have been around many years already. Plus it doesn’t have a disc drive so it’s more expensive if you want disc support too.
I still got an original PS5 (with disc drive), I mostly only played PS exclusive games and a few games that I prefer on console, it’s perfectly capable of doing 4k and/or high resolution graphics and framerates depending on the game. I don’t see a reason to upgrade to the Pro at all. And I think new players are more likely to just go for the PS5 Slim instead.
The last thing we need is Pro consoles getting exclusives. That would be PS6 in all but name.
The PS4 Pro made some sense. The PS4 was underpowered on launch, and 4K became pretty commonplace shortly after they launched. It still had an underpower CPU, but at least you got an upscaled HDR 1440p image for most of the time which is good enough. Even PC gamers accepted upscaling to 4K once they gave it a fancy name and told them it was exclusive.
But here, you’ve already got a choice of pretty RT mode and 60 fps mode, and if you really wanted both of those at the same time, then you could lash out a big pile of money for a PC.
It’s 700 notes for half a generation of slightly prettier gaming. It’s aimed at the “turn everything to ultra and have a fit when it drops below 60fps” PC gaming demographic, who have no need for this.
I’m afraid that if they keep making ‘superior’ versions of the same generation of consoles that we’ll end up with ‘semi-exclusives’ anyway. Simply because those will run a lot better on the more expensive hardware, and what I’m most afraid of is that a lot of developers will get lazy in optimisation, because why the hell would they bother if they can just make it run good enough on the ‘high-end’ platform so to speak.
And bet you that Sony will encourage developers on this too, because they’re gonna want to have reasons to sell the Pro, especially if there are no exclusive titles to promote it with.
They were already lazy because the hardware was powerful enough to hide a lot of sins.
FF7 Rebirth for example. It looks much better on the Pro, but frankly, it should have looked much better on the base console. And it came out well before the Pro was announced.
But at the same time, the majority of PC gamers are happily still playing at 1080p. Resolution was always overrated and an expensive thing to chase.
The only semi-exclusive from last gen was Cyberpunk, and I can’t really see things being much different. If a game engine was capable of running at 60 if you reduce the graphics, they’ll still offer that. If it wasn’t, then the Pro won’t be able to run it faster either. It’s pretty much the exact same CPU under both.
That may be the way consoles go.
We aren’t seeing the kinds of innovation happening in hardware that justifies dropping backward compatibility and the AAA gaming market hasn’t released games in the quantity they did before.
So Sony and Microsoft can update the hardware in a way to maintain backwards comparability and game companies have the option of developing to the current generation only, both generations with different graphics, or the older generation.
I don’t think most PC gamers are running 4k. With all the price shenanigans in the GPU market over the last 5 years, actually achieving 4k has been an expensive journey for anyone doing it. Especially when games play just fine at half or a quarter of that.
They’re not. Steam survey has 4K monitors at under 4%. Well over half are at 1080p and below. There’s exactly 1 GPU in the top 10 above the nVidia x060 series.
The way things get reviewed, you’d think 4K was a minimum. I suspect the majority of high end cards out there aren’t even used for gaming.
After I posted I was reminded that it’s still common in FPS games to brick the graphics so there’s less hiding spots. But also my graphics card is like 7 years old and runs everything I’ve come across except Star Citizen. (Which is its own whole level of fuckery)
Yep. This gen has been pretty barren when it comes to AAA games that aren’t remasters/remakes and it’s not just exclusives. The handful of AAA games I want to play run perfectly fine on my low spec PC. Sure not at 4k60, but upgrading my pc or buying a PS5 pro just for those few games just isn’t worth it.
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I don’t know about recession, but I know I’ve hit a personal inflection point with prices where I’m just sick of the bullshit and only buy if absolutely necessary, or on sale.
Everyone is so fucking greedy, everyone wants just 5 more dollars bro to the point where the consumerism has been driven out of me.
I actually have money to buy shit, I just don’t want to anymore because nothing seems to correspond to its value anymore.
A new car? 35 k for a fucking base kia, gtfo out with this shit.
New phone? 1.2k for the same screen bullshit as the last 5 years.
Same with this PS5, they are pricing this shit like it’s lifesaving medicine, when in reality it’s just shit no-one really needs
35k for a base Kia? Hell naw, I bought a fully loaded 2024 hyundai elentra hybrid for 34k out the door. Base Kia K4 is 22k plus tax title and reg. That’s like almost a third less than what I paid lol
We also don’t give a shit.
If you own a PS5 already, it doesn’t offer you much and if you own a PC, it offers you less.
I have a PS5 with the disc drive, which I paid extra for. I don’t see any reason to get this when it doesn’t even come with that. The performance of the base PS5 has been very good. If it’s just a hardware boost, I don’t really need it. I don’t get the purpose of upgrading. The battlefield games I play run like butter, and the new titles, like Dead Space that I’ve played also run great.
This just runs better? Not necessary to me.
And I do own a gaming PC. I just prefer having a dedicated game console for a couple good reasons.
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you did not just make a whole comment responding to one single downvote
You got one too you better go talk to 'em, it wasn’t me though I swear
Not the down voter, but as a day 1 PS5 buyer who could afford the pro I will just say they didn’t offer any value to me. I’ve played 1 game on the PS5 that I couldn’t have on my base PS4 (Demon’s Souls) and I could play the original of that on my PS3. They promised all of this great stuff on the PS5 and under delivered. Why would I put down the $700 why would I spend that when I hardly even use my PS5 and even when I do I could’ve just used my PS4?
I’m not arguing for or against being a recession. But the sales for this console don’t prove or deny a recession, they just show that either no one actually wants this thing or Sony has managed to misjudge demand.
No I think it just proves this is a shit product
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