The only reason it worked is because the Millitary backed off after Parliament overturned it, despite the Millitary blocking access to the building from Parliamentarians. The Millitary isn’t bound by some electoral laws of the universe, they just as easily could have said the vote was illigetimate. This is a unique circumstance and cannot be used as universal.
The Millitary isn’t bound by some electoral laws of the universe, they just as easily could have said the vote was illigetimate.
Well I mean they are bound by laws, to the extent that laws have meaning. And responding to legal instruction would seem to validate the force and efficacy of the legal system, right?
Yes and no. Being bound by “legal” means is a pretense for civility, ie the social contract, but the millitary in no way must follow this. The Republic of Korea has had several millitary dictatorships, from Park Chung-hee to Chun Doo-Hwan, and to think any system is immune to such circumstances is false thinking.
They did not back off after Parliament overturned it, they said they would uphold martial law until the president called it off. The president was the one who called it off after the vote from Parliament
My understanding is that Incel King threatened to continue it but backed off after the vote anyways as it seemed like he wouldn’t have the continued support of the Millitary.
It’s not like Jan 6 2021 was a successful coup either tho?
We’re not at the end of the timeline at which that’s determined completely yet.
Frankly, the American Civil War isn’t really even completely settled yet.
The first shot was fired today against the oligarchs. Well, they started it with all the killing of innocent sick people but the first bullet was fired today.
He got shot for denying poor people their shots.
Legit should have just let the South go. North versus South goes all the way back to the foundation of our nation. It’s never going to be resolved. Let the idiots have their racist homophobic dictatorship if that’s what they want. At least the rest of us can build a civilized nation with them out of the way.
You have the resolve of a cop trying to solve a crime committed by another cop.
It’s never going to be resolved.
I think it was resolved, but then Johnson got elected, pardoned the entire Confederate South including Jefferson Davis, and rolled back reconstruction. And the south benefited from electoral success by counting the slave population toward their number of representatives despite disenfranchising them.
I don’t have a real end point or pin to this thought but there’s solvable electoral process things that could change the outcomes. The upsetting thing right now is disenchantment in the power of procedures to affect outcome which (1) in some sense is just an unfortunate truth but (2) in another sense is a self fulfilling prophecy as we lose touch of how processes can control outcomes.
Let the idiots have their racist homophobic dictatorship if that’s what they want.
I’m sure it would never cause any lasting problems, sharing a substantial land border with an actively malicious enemy nation. /s
Besides, allowing them to leave because they wanted to continue actions antithetical to our values would be tacitly condoning them. “You can keep on trafficking humans, we just don’t want any part of it” is a pretty cold-blooded response.
No, letting them go was never a valid option. We just needed to actually finish reconstruction. You can thank John Wilkes Booth for eliminating that.
Man, saying things like this just further the divide without providing meaningful contributions to any of the current conversations.
So, how DO you have a conversation with a group that thinks you or your friends aren’t people?
I have to do it all the time. I was born and raised in the south by (relatively) liberal parents. I recognize that some of my neighbors my not be up to the standards of the rest of the country, but (I can’t believe I have to say this out loud) we shouldn’t ostracize a geographic region of people because of social issues.
Social reform isn’t achieved by running up to someone and saying “You’re an uninformed idiot from a flyover state and what you believe is incorrect.” It’s achieved by saying, “I know you don’t really mean that” when someone says some weird shit and calling them out in a more neutral environment. Unfortunately you have to convince people to be better. It’s too easy to just close yourself off and decline into your own beliefs.
It’s achieved by saying, “I know you don’t really mean that” when someone says some weird shit
And what if, as frequently happens, they do in fact mean it?
Finally a voice of reason in a mob of tribalists.
Is South Korea? It was days ago. Hard to say what the future will hold. The Jan 6th comparison is apt, I think.
Usually when you fail a coup you are dead, not re-elected.
Well, there was that one time in Munich back in 1923…
Kinda crazy that Hitler was put in jail for his coup attempt, while Trump evaded any and all consequences from his. Not that it stopped Hitler from rising to power…
But, while not directly comparable, it’s in a way ironic that Hitler seemingly faced harsher consequences than Trump, even though Hitler’s time in prison wasn’t exactly tough for him.
Hitler also did not win a popular election to get elected, nor did the Nazi party win a majority of seats in Parliament. The liberals in power could have formed a coalition government with the communists but refused
What were their goals again? And did their goals get fulfilled?
Letting the morons being ridiculous, accomplish nothing and then slowly throwing all of them to jail, not to create martyrs, was actually the best move.
The best move was from the officer who shot one of those terrorists. It’s been nothing but kid gloves prior or since.
Hearing Lemmy support a cop shooting someone is not what I was expecting today
oh yeah, it totally stopped trump gaining power.
Americans love fasicsm. That’s why we voted for it. Despite the copious amount of warnings we received from the proto-fascist’s ex-associates and top military personnel, not to mention unbelievably blatant examples from the proto-fascist himself.
Maybe we can have Nazi rallies at Madison Square Garden like we did in the 30s. We came pretty close a couple months ago.
huh, turns out a country built on a bed of indigenous genocide and chattel slavery isn’t a great place after all 🤔 interesting 🤔
I’ve been saying this for years 🤣
Not all Americans
30%
What? Stop a fascist coup? South Korea is already owned by like 3 coporations its already fascist.
Yeah this is a read on power that’s made by babies and libs.
“They said the magic words that made the law spell work. Why can’t you do that America???”
Yoon’s coup failed because he failed to secure the centers of power (in SK this is literally the chaebol families) in his corner, not because the Parliament did a ritual.
Exactly. I would go so far as to say the Chaebols let this happen so that they could then have parliment “stop” it and get the people feeling good about parliment so when they turn around in a few months and pass some super crazy laws people wont care.
Also a two party system with the one they consider being centrist having an ethnic supremacy wing.
Koreas seem to be just slightly different flavors of authoritarian dystopias.
Um no. You can take the DPRK slander somewhere else.
Hey hey, their god emperor worm and bourgies are proud of their dystopia so of course it’s not slander! :)
Also a two party system with the one they consider being centrist having an ethnic supremacy wing.
That’s mostly result of being occupied by a militant fascist nation who tried to do several decades of cultural genocide.
The people’s power party’s version also has an ethnic supremacy wing, but for the Japanese. The new right movement somehow has some weird Koreans that want to restore imperial Japanese power in Korea.
Reminds of the fashs in Latin America like Milei and Bolsonaro who just love to suck up to the US. They yearn for the boot.
I don’t understand how so many Americans buy the “North Korea is a cartoonish dictatorship” line so easily. It’s obvious that you can make up any story about it, no matter how outlandish, and the media will just print it uncritically.
It’s like a kid making up crazy stories about their cousin. The kid is full of shit half the time – you don’t believe the other half, you conclude that nothing that kid has to say about his cousin is reliable.
americans: “yeah so life sucks over here”
europeans: “lmfao rip bozo holy hell am i glad i’m not you”“Rest of the world”
In my limited knowledge, that only recently applies to Brazil. For South Korea, it’s too early to know for sure how stuff will develop.
Yeah, Americans reading this on lemmy! Why didn’t you stop… something… from happening?? You definitely are the demographic who supports maga and also definitely have the ability to change the results of an election.
The right wing propaganda machine is too powerful. A close friend of mine works a trade and he’s constantly being engaged with right wing talking points. He voted for Trump. He lives with another close friend who has a master’s in history who constantly refutes all the talking points but I doesn’t matter when all his coworkers, his social media and online media are riling him up with this shit.
At my job I’ve spoken to Hispanics, that can barely speak English, that are die-hard Trump fanatics. Feels like I’m taking crazy pills.
We’re too fat.
The American way is to bail them out financially, then re-elect them.
I thought this was referring to the gifts the United Healthcare CEO got yesterday.
The people didn’t hold President Yoon accountable. Parliament did.
We have the same system in the US. Congress holds the US President accountable the same way Parliament held Yoon accountable, with a vote.
The problem is that we voted in a fuckton of Trump loyalists as a nation, and it’ll be up to them to hold him accountable. We’ll get what we asked for.
The problem is, we voted in a fuckton of Trump loyalists as a nation, and it’ll be up to them to hold him accountable.
Yeah… that’s the uneducated citizens part dude…
Yeah… that’s the uneducated citizens part dude…
Yes and no. Yes, it is true that more uneducated people voted for Trump, and lack of education means people do not understand the risks and negative implications of voting for Trump over Harros for themselves. No, that argument doesn’t explain the whole picture. It is also true that educated people who understand the implications voted for him anyway because they saw it as benefiting them/their worldviews. Keep in mind half of college educated male voters and over a third of college educated female voters went for Trump.
Just an aside here to say I appreciate your unwillingness to over simplify this discussion.
Keep in mind half of college educated male voters and over a third of college educated female voters went for Trump.
USA educated* we just talked about how the education system is broken dude….
Sure we can quibble about the median quality of a college education in the US, you you have to draw the line somewhere. But the issue I’m pointing at is people get lazy conflating education with social progressiveness and egalitarianism and dismiss people with different worldviews as “uneducated”. There are plenty of intelligent well-educated people who are morally bankrupt or deeply mistaken. After all, eugenics came from some of the most “educated” minds in the world.
If you buy into the propaganda, that means you aren’t educated nor intelligent, sorry dude. You can be rocket scientist and still be considered uneducated and unintelligent.
My friend, the messages that only uneducated people can be pro-fascist and educated people are immune to propaganda is propagandistic. It’s reductive and misleading. Evil does not limit itself to the ignorant. Still,I think we have different meanings of “educated”
There’s no need to be condescending. Your meme implies that it was the people who stopped Yoon’s declaration of martial law. I was just clarifying.
Not my meme, and yes, did the people not vote in the people who stopped it…? That’s how its supposed to work dude lmfao.
My mistake, and yes, I’m fully aware of the democratic process. Are you aware that many of the people who voted for Trump are voting for a coup?
My point is that the US citizens that want to stop Trump are now powerless to do so, whether they voted and stumped for Harris, or have since changed their mind about Trump. Between SCOTUS’s ruling and Trump’s prior use of National Guard, there will be no safe way to protest.
Condescension in no way helps those who oppose Trump. Be constructive if you truly care.
They weren’t powerless dude, and it was the lack of education for the last century that lead to it.
You’re trying to blame something other than the problem dude, you don’t have a point here, you’re just bitching about what everyone already knows, but it apparently needs to be pointed out to Americans.
You’re preaching to the choir. Most of Lemmy is anti-Trump. Maybe they should post this somewhere where people haven’t spent the last eight months discussing ways to stop him.
We get it. We don’t want him either. There’s also no stopping a coup if that’s what he sets his sights on.
There’s also no stopping a coup if that’s what he sets his sights on.
Wait isn’t that why your citizens are armed? To stop this exact thing…?
Dude go bitch somewhere else lmfao.
That’s how we’re told it’s supposed to work, but that’s not how it really works. BBC: [Princeton and Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
If you ignore the 4 years that it wasn’t a bunch of Trump loyalists that came before the vote.
The people didn’t hold President Yoon accountable. Parliament did.
How do you think representative government is supposed to work?
It’s the same in every bourgeois democracy: the representatives represent the capitalist class over the working class. BBC: [Princeton and Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Which is why I said “supposed to,” not “in actuality.”
representative government
supposed to work
Pick one.
Ha…ha?
South Korean law is apparently very peculiar. Hard to directly transfer this lecture to other countries.
What’s a battle?
Sometimes I hear Bs as Rs.
Ah you must have a cold.
It will be weird going to vote in 2026 whilst living in a fascist totalitarian dictatorship. Will there only be one choice to vote for?
By asking them nicely?
The European retards say things like this as though they themselves haven’t swung far right lately. Pot meet kettle.
This is just typical America bad copium by the Europoors and internalized hate by American Euroboos.
Norman Mailer once said “the dark cloud of fascism is forever descending on America but it only ever lands in Europe.”
I have a feeling Norman Mailer would’ve had a different opinion if he were, say, an African-American man. Or a trans woman. Or any of a number of other marginalized groups.
