My childhood friends started saying that anyone working after noon on Friday is disorganized and I think it’s beautiful.
I already finished all my work for the sprint that ends on Tuesday. It’s Thursday at noon currently.
Must be nice to not have billable hours to worry about…
It is. You should try to move to a career where you sell the results of your labor, not the time it takes to achieve them. Easier said than done, I know. Good luck!
I think I would have to get a govt job in my career path to be able to do that. I’ve considered it, but idk if I really want to or not.
Until recent times, I’ve always thought a govt job was a good thing to have.
Still is, but the constant threat of government shutdowns, in the US at least, as of late, make me feel you need to live below your means and keep a decent chunk of 3 to 6 months pay, because you could suddenly be without pay for a good chunk of time because some idiots think they score political points, or will get their way, by hurting citizens.
That’s a very good point… it seems like every time the national budget is up for renewal, those Republican clowns threaten to fuck everyone over. Bastards, the lot of them!
It don’t matter how organized I am, my boss sees I’m done by noon on a friday he’ll give me more service calls, shop time or some other job to do.
That’s where you’re going wrong, you still need to pretend you’re doing work
That’s why you develop the talent of looking busy while not doing shit.
Just don’t say you’re done with your work.
That only works until the last call I did calls to pay their bill and now the office knows I’m done my work. I usually just suck it up and take more work, I’d hoestly rather that than twiddle my thumbs for a few hours.
Twiddle your thumbs? You need some hobbies my dude. There is more to life than constantly working.
Wow, Sounds like you really need to work on your time management skills.
That’s not the type of job they are referring to.
They’re referring to jobs where you have overarching goals and deliverables but aren’t logging actions to the event, or to the hour.
I’ve had jobs like yours and steady, dependable, maintainable pace is the way to get through the week. Don’t over promise, don’t look available for random new tasks.
At my current gig I have tasks issued at the 2 week level, and aside from very rare requests for assistance or discussion, I’m left to my to-do list, and my predetermined commitments. If I consistently meet my commitments, and show up for scheduled meetings, no one gives a shit when I actually work. It’s great but requires the right environment.
How about also, “Wow, seems like you need to work on your resource planning skills,” when a manager tries to demand unpaid overtime?
I think you might just straight say “management skills” because that’s bare minimum part of their fucking job to organize a schedule well enough so they don’t have to have people running into overtime to get the job done. That is time management, too, because you’re supposed to know how long it takes each employee to do shit, and you should be fucking organizing based on that.
I’m so fucking sick of skeleton crews. I’m pushing 50 and the last 25 fucking years has been nothing but skeleton crews where if one person calls out sick everything falls apart. Sorry, that’s inefficient as hell. If one person calling out wrecks everything, then that means you’re doing it fucking wrong and maybe you need one or two more people to help cover the gaps. I’m sure it makes them beaucoup bucks in the short term, but the profits from ruining your relationship with your customer base won’t last. Eventually customers do get sick of being treated like shit. (Corporations are banking on all of them similarly treating you like shit so you won’t have any real options that are better.)
skeleton crews
I’m not a manager, but if I had a business critical three person job and some busywork, I’d schedule four people minimum. Probably five if the busywork is important at the time.
Normalize I ionizing so you can have more frank discussions with management with more protection.
I’d straight up tell a boss that asked for unpaid overtime that their failure to allocate resources is money out of my pocket if and only if you want to hear from the DoL.
Unfortunately, many jobs that do this are salaried exempt.
Now, whether they are miss categorized is a different story. That’s why my wife’s old workplace is going to get some attention from the IRS and DOL when she finishes her month’s notice.
My CW gets to work at 630 am despite having absolutely no reason to do so as the role she does doesn’t start until 8 and she’s just there to check people in, and stays late to sanitize her desk every day. I wander in at 829 and clock out at 423. Fuck it. I’m in a union for a reason.
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For me, it’s very much cyclical: when there is a project going, there are so many people counting on you that pretty much every minute counts, and the cost of mistakes is always high. It’s during these times that time management skill is critical and you need people on the team who’s job is to manage everybody’s time and make sure things gets done, but even with that, the long hours are unavoidable. I don’t think it’s something to brag about, it’s the nature of the job.
But when there is no project going, it feels like there is really not much to do all day, sometimes even the task of finding things to do is a struggle, so you do whatever you want until the next project starts.
Aren’t you taking a break from movies?
From acting.
Producing is still work.
STFU I’m hyperfocused on this stupid script that I can’t get to work and if I don’t finish it I will feel sad and frustrated.
I always wondered how bragging about how long you worked was considered by some as a good thing. The “higher ups” must have used some fancy tricks to get people to think that way. It never worked on me though :)
I think people believe it is a sign you are striving to excel or that you care about the work you are doing.
In my case I think I talk about how much overtime I work because I got insecurities about my productivity drilled into me as a child with undiagnosed ADHD. Constantly being told you don’t work hard enough regardless of the effort you put in will give you some weird hangups. I think subconsciously its about needing external validation that the time you put in was adequate, or insecurity around ‘work ethic’
Modern day life is a competition, people always want to “1 up” the previous person. This is prevalent in society, don’t overthink it
What about people that complain about how long they work (yeah, I do have some suboptimal time management skills, and I’m a little sensitive about it)?
Ok yeah maybe but can we all stop writing our witty tweets in the same format? “normalize [abnormal thing]” is not only getting old, it probably is not effective at all
You’re more than welcome to downvote and move on.
Hey, I’m just trying to normalize better ways to call for normalization.
I doubt anyone else is thinking about it as much as you tbh
Isn’t the goal of a post like this to get people thinking? If it’s the same ol’ same ol’, it’s easier to tune out.
What is this anti worker propaganda on .ml? Your fellow worker is brainwashed by the capitalist state and instead of seeking to build solidarity with them you mock them? How about sympathizing with their excessive workload and likely lacking compensation and eventually introducing that a different system would not require that from them?
Relax, slave, it’s just a joke.
Also, it is a time management issue, on a cultural level. Try getting Germans to stay past their shift they’ll tell you to get better at managing. Not their department, not their problem.
Thinking “fixing this requires a socialist revolution” honestly is part of the problem: Organise to fix the issue, there, workers will see that issues can be fixed, fix more that comes up, and they’ll both be emboldened and educated about their strength. Foreplay before sex.
The fact that you suggest it’s a cultural issue and then state it can be rectified by organizing is exactly my point. This person is essentially shaming the individual worker for falling prey to a cultural and systemic problem.
I never said we need a socialist revolution. In this context I left system open ended, but you can’t effectively organize anything with people you’re hostile to and unwilling to build solidarity with. I don’t think a socialist revolution is likely or even necessary, but more empathy is. The OP sentiment is not foreplay, it’s outright rejection. It seems like we are actually in agreement.
This person is essentially shaming the individual worker for falling prey to a cultural and systemic problem.
And that’s not a way to change culture because…? It’s “if your friends jumped from a bridge” in disguise.
Shame is not as effective as offering support, especially since the root cause of the behavior is not necessarily in the persons control. Working additional hours might be seen as a requirement in some fields, so you might be shaming them into not talking about the issue, but the best way to actually solve the problem would likely be to empathize with them and change their perspective.
If someone is in an abusive relationship and they mention the abuse to someone, shaming them for being in that relationship and subjecting themselves to that behavior is unlikely to fix anything. Offering them compassion and support and safe alternatives is demonstrably more effective. Shame is likely to make them more defensive about their choices or stop talking about the abuse they suffer entirely, especially if the issue is not entirely in their control. I think similar behavior and responses would be elicited in the case of working relationships as well. 
You’re talking individual, not group psychology. Chances are that in a group someone will laugh, others chuckle, and the person directly addressed will not be individually offended because you made a joke. Deflated, maybe, yes, but that’s par for the course when bragging. Which is what OP’s post talks about. If you go all “dear, dear” on people doing that they’ll definitely be offended.
Is the slave comment supposed to imply that I might be working more than I should? I’m literally saying it’s a bad thing that it happens but we should be sympathetic to people who don’t yet realize that and show them that they are being exploited. I don’t see how this is funny, as there is no punchline or set up or anything. I don’t think everyone needs to agree about comedy but I was sharing my opinion on this sentiment.
What about the part where a valid criticism is an antiwork propaganda to you?
The issue is that the criticism is generally not valid. If you’re criticizing a colleague for poor time management because they legitimately have poor time management, fine, whatever. It’s not something I would do, but there may be cases in which that is done. In the context of this meme, it is likely not the individuals fault that they are overworked. It is likely a systemic failure that foists too many tasks on each individual worker. Generally, the people “bragging” about working additional hours are not poor performing employees, but people that are dedicated to their job or the company, and believe that the additional hours will help them advance their careers. Approaching it from a place of “if you are a good worker, they should treat you better, not worse” rather than shaming the individual is most likely to help them see the issue with that sentiment. Also, I’m pretty sure it was just a spelling error, but just to be clear I believe this is anti-worker, not anti-work.
The point is to normalize not working extra hours so companies stop expecting it. It’s not anti-worker at all.
This of course refers mostly to salaried workers, as, at least in the us, hourly gets overtime pay at 1.5x normal pay. Up to an extent, many workers appreciate the extra pay.
Not always though, as even then, some companies want lower workforce, and will work them half to death.
Appreciate you adding that last sentence, but ideally no one would work more even for additional pay. People need time to recuperate and enjoy life and in the current system often just getting by requires overtime pay. I’ve worked in both types of positions, and though I’m glad overtime and holiday pay exist in our current system, often the people working more or over the holidays are the most desperate or marginalized.
I think the OP sentiment was directed towards salaried workers because I’ve basically never heard hourly workers talk about it in this way or context. I think the reason salaried employees brag about long hours is largely due to the fact that they might not be getting additional compensation so are at least trying to get social capital in exchange for their time.
“Not normalizing” comes in many forms and this one seems hostile to fellow workers. Approaching it from a place of empathy is far more likely to help than a place of blame. It’s not the workers fault. It’s a systemic problem and the first step to helping someone realize that is to open their eyes to the fact that they are struggling for no reason other than that the institution demands it, not that they are the problem.
Yes, but the joke implies that it’s the person’s own fault that they’re working too much, which very often it isn’t, at least in the USA from what I’ve heard.
