Its a very blunt statement but also the way certain people talk. I honestly don’t think Torvalds wants the entire opensuse team tomkill themselves
He didn’t say “hey, <insert name here> go kill yourself”.
He said that if you’re a dev and think its normal to require root password for changing time or connecting to a network, then please kill yourself.
It’s more than anything an expression of frustration in which I recognize myself. I have to deal with a provider from which I won’t be able to leave for at least another year, which is extremely expensive and extremely incompetent, causing me literally days of work and I have wished in more than one occasion that they would all die in a fire because it’s all incompetent managers who don’t do the work they cause all the shit.
When he talks to someone directly, he’ll know, right, Mauro?
Context doesn’t matter because ultimately it’s directed at somebody and telling them to kill themselves. I don’t think he actually wanted that to happen, but he said it. It doesn’t make him a villain, but it’s something that shouldn’t happen.
Why? Are you concerned that the date/time widget author is going to kill themselves? Or do you just not like the concept and don’t think people should talk about it? Something else?
One of those options is unlikely and the other is just a taboo.
I enjoy the argument because it’s a taboo, so nobody has a good argument. Nobody thinks it’s a real command. Nobody thinks for a moment Linus even wants that person dead. It’s Just Not How We Do Things here in Polite Society. We say “fuck you, c-loving geriatric” but “I can’t wait to see you in a grave, old man” is considered different even though the literal words are irrelevant. The speaker likely has no real interest in fucking the other coder, nor seeing them in a grave.
This amusingly puts it in precisely the same category as like, grandma being upset that their gkid won’t wear a bra or shave their pits.
I really don’t think context changes a lot in this case. Being frustrated doesn’t make statements like this acceptable. Neither does starting the sentence with “if” or being right (which he was).
Believe me, my intention is not to attack or discredit Linus. As a SE and Linux enthusiast I have a great deal of respect for him. But this is not exclusive with acknowledging that he is just a human and has flaws like all of us.
I brought this up to show that it’s more complicated than just being “really nice but very honest”, that’s all.
He has told people that they should kill themself. I’m not trying to throw a shade on him but that’s the unfortunate truth.
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Context matters
Its a very blunt statement but also the way certain people talk. I honestly don’t think Torvalds wants the entire opensuse team tomkill themselves
He didn’t say “hey, <insert name here> go kill yourself”.
He said that if you’re a dev and think its normal to require root password for changing time or connecting to a network, then please kill yourself.
It’s more than anything an expression of frustration in which I recognize myself. I have to deal with a provider from which I won’t be able to leave for at least another year, which is extremely expensive and extremely incompetent, causing me literally days of work and I have wished in more than one occasion that they would all die in a fire because it’s all incompetent managers who don’t do the work they cause all the shit.
When he talks to someone directly, he’ll know, right, Mauro?
Context doesn’t matter because ultimately it’s directed at somebody and telling them to kill themselves. I don’t think he actually wanted that to happen, but he said it. It doesn’t make him a villain, but it’s something that shouldn’t happen.
Why? Are you concerned that the date/time widget author is going to kill themselves? Or do you just not like the concept and don’t think people should talk about it? Something else?
One of those options is unlikely and the other is just a taboo.
Honestly, I really didn’t expect people to argue that telling others to kill themselves is okay but here we are I guess.
I enjoy the argument because it’s a taboo, so nobody has a good argument. Nobody thinks it’s a real command. Nobody thinks for a moment Linus even wants that person dead. It’s Just Not How We Do Things here in Polite Society. We say “fuck you, c-loving geriatric” but “I can’t wait to see you in a grave, old man” is considered different even though the literal words are irrelevant. The speaker likely has no real interest in fucking the other coder, nor seeing them in a grave.
This amusingly puts it in precisely the same category as like, grandma being upset that their gkid won’t wear a bra or shave their pits.
I really don’t think context changes a lot in this case. Being frustrated doesn’t make statements like this acceptable. Neither does starting the sentence with “if” or being right (which he was).
Believe me, my intention is not to attack or discredit Linus. As a SE and Linux enthusiast I have a great deal of respect for him. But this is not exclusive with acknowledging that he is just a human and has flaws like all of us.
I brought this up to show that it’s more complicated than just being “really nice but very honest”, that’s all.
Source on this?
Sure, here you go: https://www.theregister.com/2012/02/29/torvalds_tantrum_opensuse/