I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.

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    I like the idea of growing non-ml community, however, I wish larger instances do not block ML. Otherwise, they would just move to lemmy.ee or lemmy.one, just like how they moved from hexbear and grad to ml.

    It is great tankies got their own place where they can be happy, but I really don’t want to interact with them. I am emotional about issues they engage in, and emotional me usually is not a nice person.

    Social media is one of the few ways I can relax for couple hours per week outside of my job, and I really don’t want my social media experience to go full investigative journalism.

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      They moved from hexbear? I thought .ml had got worse! I wish my instance would defederate from them, but it seemed so hard for them to do that from HB.

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    We should leave the federated on most instances as a honeypot for them. This way they don’t join other instances.

    It’s like when you give a kid a video game controller without batteries.

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    The irony of a community promoting socialism while also instabanning anyone for the slightest wiff of criticism is just chef’s kiss peak representation of why their system is doomed.

    If you can’t withstand the slightest nudge of criticism how are you even going to attempt to provide a governance system based on any kind of economic directive? If Marx could see what you guys have become he’d personally wipe his ass with your lame ml instance

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      Seems like the ultimate nature of leftist ideology is that there are too many cooks in the kitchen, and everyone has a slightly differing philosophy that they refuse to budge on. So they fight eachother instead of the existential fascist threat.

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      It’s because socialism does not stand up to outside pressures. It always turns towards benevolent totalitarianism as a method of defending itself from bad actors.

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          ever asked a lemmy.ml admin/mod whether they’re pro-Russian or not? You’ll notice you’ll never get them to answer, but they’ll get mad as fuck and start spewing all sorts of unrelated garbage, while refusing to answer a simple yes or no question.

          The ridiculous thing is it would be so easy to lie about it, but Russians don’t even jokingly want to write that they’re not pro-Russian so as to not “accidentally fall out of a window”.

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            Big agree, I really wish people from ml and hex would stop brigading communities they don’t like

            Real shit how the fuck are people gonna claim hex is trans friendly after how they acted on 196@blahaj?

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      Sure. They’re not far enough to the right for some of .world’s centrists, who are very upset that some people from .ml are outspoken opponents of genocide. And as such, they have for the third time designated an instance to be the “tankie instance” that they desperately want .world to defederate from. .world’s centrists will continue this until they have convinced the admins to defederate from .ml, at which point they will once again find a new instance to designate as “tankies” and start the pressure to remove it.

      They consider .world’s neoliberalism to be the leftmost acceptable boundary of political thought, and will do anything to limit the discussion accordingly.

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        Nah im just not a big fan of anyone who simps for putin and the taliban, it’s really that simple

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            I hate liberals exactly as much as you do, if not more. That doesn’t mean I have to stand by people trying to justify homes and children being stolen from Ukraine, or how China actually isn’t doing any genocide, or how Taliban Good bc they fight ISIS and don’t like the US

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              I hate liberals exactly as much as you do, if not more.

              Do they not support Netanyahu’s genocide stridently enough for your liking?

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                You’re living rent free in my head rn, it’s genuinely bewildering that you somehow think i support zionism or some shit. I didn’t get called a trump supporter by a bunch of l*bs just so other leftists can baselessly accuse me of supporting Israel. The fuck is your deal? You think someone can’t dislike both Israel AND Russia? Seriously please explain this, I’m at a loss for fucking words as to how hating a government that wants me dead means I support murdering children in Gaza, I’m kinda seething about it tbh

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                  You’re living rent free in my head rn

                  Yes, I can tell because you’re so angry that you’re leaving multiple unhinged replies to single comments.

                  The fuck is your deal?

                  My deal is that I don’t think that the hatred for ml is rooted in anything having to do with Russia. I think it’s because centrists want anyone to their left (and only their left) to be silenced.

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                I have literally spent the last like 6 months getting banned from .world communities for disagreeing with liberals about the genocide in Gaza, if you missed all that that’s on you. Don’t assume I’m a libt4rd just bc I don’t jack off to a pinup Putin on my wall

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                Why the fuck are you assuming all this shit about me xD I hate Putin and I hate Biden, they both do a bunch of genocide, why do you assume I’m not 100% on your side? I very much am unless you think Putin is cool and based and doing good things in Ukraine

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            I haven’t seen any other instances where the majority of users simp for putin and the taliban, so nope :3

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                If the last two you’re referring to are grad and hex, good riddance :3 I’d rather not be seeing blatant Stalin or North Korea apologia in my communities

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                  So what’s the next one? As long as world isn’t the leftmost instance, there will be a next one. Is it gonna be .ee? midwest.social?

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      We need to call on more servers to defederate with lemmy.ml if we want more people to join the platform, I dont want my friends’ first experience of the platform to be a tankie post.

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    I wish I could. But as a mod, it very much helps to leave all people and instances/communities unblocked.

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    Something about .ml and MLs in general is that they really just aren’t that large a group. If we want larger communities, Reddit is still much bigger than Lemmy. If we want a flawed ally in politics, progressive liberals outnumber Leninists and are far less likely to deliberately betray us. (That’s why MLs always equate Liberalism with fascism; if people can ally with Liberals MLs have basically nothing they can bring to a coalition, and so they can’t seize power.)

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      Famously loyal and trustworthy liberals will never deliberately betray you lmao. Just hope they never find out if you have to break a law the fascists draw up to protect yourself or others 🚔🚔🚔

      And hope that you’re not part of whichever group they’re throwing under the bus to appease the fascists either.

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      If we want a flawed ally in politics, progressive liberals outnumber Leninists and are far less likely to deliberately betray us.

      Who are ‘you’ in this equation? A boat dealership owner?

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    I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao

    Edit: thank you for the link, Lazycog@sopuli.xyz!

    https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275

    I stand by every single comment that’s been removed from this platform. Some of them were removed for good reason, one of them was a brain fart that I shouldn’t have posted in the first place, but I’m happy to have y’all investigate my moderation history

    ETA: If you read this, and then replied to a comment that’s already been removed from a community I’m banned from, you’re an idiot. I literally can’t interact with you. Why not reply to this comment?

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      Thanks for posting that, I had no idea. Yikes. Time to find a new instance.

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      I’ve been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn’t worth simping for.

      What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.

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        The thing I hate about tankies is the same thing I hate about fascists, every other living thing on earth shares a common ancestor with them. I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree, return them to the dirt they truly are so that they may be of some use to all living creatures.

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      Banned starman2112 @sh.itjust.works from the community 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone reason: Weirdo who defends genocide, because only young people are aginast it

      Thanks for the link and the laugh! 😂

      It’s amusing to see the average user criticizing .ml while ignoring the bad behavior of others. LMAO!

      Weirdo, why im not surprised at all 😂

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          Scroll all the way to the bottom and click mod log to search. or click the 3 vertical dots to see a specific users mod history.

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            Thank you, I had no idea how to find this, it’s super fascinating

            Some of these removals are perfectly warranted, like that L + ratio comment. It was a fun comment, but not productive. I didn’t even know I was banned from 196 for… Defending genocide? Because I didn’t want Trump elected? I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.

            All the recent .ml stuff is because of “rule 1,” and y’all can plainly see that none of the comments removed were bigoted, and only one was uncivil.

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              No problem! I just got interested how the modlog actually looks like after seeing this comment chain and decided to finally check it out.

              No idea whether that link is only showing the lemmy.ml admins actions on you or do the mod actions federate and show all the actions mods on any instance have taken on you though

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              I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.

              The guys who’ve spent the last year telling the democrats “You need to stop the genocide and promote popular left policy if you want to win” are not responsible for the dems loss. The dems are responsible for their own loss for ignoring the obvious advice of “stop doing the thing that made you lose in 2022 and 2016 and 2010 and 2004 and instead do the thing that made you win in 2008 and 2020”

              It’s particularly gross to suggest a predominantly trans instance wanted a trump presidency.

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                Trans people voted for Harris, overwhelmingly. The problems were with white guys with a weird stick up their ass trying to convince everyone else not to vote to protect us. Good work I guess, you got what you wanted.

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                I agree that it’s the Democrats’ fault that they lost, but I stand by the assertion that people who would rather not vote at all than vote for the lesser of two evils are partially to blame when the greater of two evils wins.

                I didn’t say they wanted a Trump presidency, I said they didn’t want a Harris presidency. I only congratulated them on their efforts to prevent that.

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                  The people saying “Genocide, punishing immigrants, tough-on-crime rhetoric, and complicated, means-tested bullshit decreases your bases turnout” are not at fault for those unpopular policies decreasing turnout. Everyone who failed to publicly criticize the dems so they could maintain the delusion they could win while promising to do the opposite of what the people whose votes they depend on want are far more culpable.

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                One time, drag’s friend accidentally left his fly open in public. Drag wanted to save him the embarassment of having it open, and drag knew exactly what to do to help him.

                So drag got up in front of everyone in the bar, shouted that the friend’s fly was open, and shared some dank memes making fun of him.

                Drag’s friend claims that nobody from that night respects him anymore and drag is a terrible friend, but that’s nonsense. He’s the one who left his fly open, drag was just helping him avoid embarrassment.

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                  If Drag’s buddy spent 4 years telling drag “Zip up your fly, or you’re going to be thrown out”, and instead drag waves his Dick at everyone at the bar, it’s not Drag’s buddy’s fault. Nor is it the fault of everyone else at the bar for being repelled.

                  If Drag thinks everyone would have been OK with Drag waving his dick around non-consenting people, and that Drag’s buddy simply convinced everyone this was repellent behavior, that’s even more reason to listen to Drag’s buddy.

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          It might be an instance thing, I don’t know if all instances make modlogs this transparent.

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    Here’s a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:

    in .ml alternative
    asklemmy !asklemmy@lemm.ee, !asklemmy@sh.itjust.works
    linux !linuxquestions@lemmy.zip, !linux@linux.community, !linux@programming.dev
    memes !memes@sopuli.xyz, !memes@slrpnk.net
    programmerhumor !programmer_humor@programming.dev
    world news !news@beehaw.org
    technology !technology@sh.itjust.works
    funny !funny@sh.itjust.works
    ukraine !ukraine@sopuli.xyz

    Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.

    EDIT: as people noticed I’m not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I’m adding stuff that you guys suggest.

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      I had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen’s Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry)… like wat 😂

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      memes:

      and for more specialized memes:

      world news: I realize you’re avoiding lemmy.world to promote decentralization which is why you’re listing !news@beehaw.org, but note that beehaw defederated itself from lemmy.world and from several others?

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      the main issue with .ml is transparency authoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the admins

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      The .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.

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        It’s a great advertisement for communism that’s for sure. They haven’t even gotten real power and it already resembles the worst of what communism offers. They’re a bunch of wannabe Ceausescu’s.

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        We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance’s target audience is wider than it actually is.

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          Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated

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            Ah, they do it now? When I signed up there (~3y ago) there was no such thing.

            Anyway, it’s still a problem because most users interacting with .ml content are from other instances.

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              Who knows? Lemmy gave very little feedback messages then. I found a good instance to stick with.

              Edit: it would have been around when I made this account (i.e. couple days before blackout protest and maybe they wanted to encourage signups at the several others that had recently popped up.

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      If they were banning people for shit posting on a communism community I wouldn’t have a problem. Its when you get removed banned from all communities because you said you don’t like there crappy memes

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        Or even if they had an instance-wide rule saying “don’t criticise Russia or China here”. It’s fine as long as the rules are clear.

        But no, instead they libel the users criticising either, claiming that they violated rule #1 (TL;DR “no bigots”). Even when the criticism is clearly against the government.

        And then you get a bunch of 11yos eating that ban message for breakfast, because they’re full of gullibleness and don’t get the purpose of this utterance dumb fucks.

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          Tbf, that admin telling someone to kill themselves wasn’t exactly a high mark for their ethics imho.

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            It isn’t a high mark, I agree. But while the “kill you are self lol.” thing could be just an admin in a really shitty day, this lack of transparency is consistent behaviour.

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              I get what you are saying: shittiness that happens daily is a more consistent pattern than something that happens ONCE.

              On the other hand, an admin telling someone to literally kill themselves is such an extreme event that it might be grounds for their removal as an admin?

              It’s an age-old philosophy problem: which is worse, stealing daily vs. actually killing someone once?

              Or is that a trick question, since both are kinda shitty, no?

              In any case, what happens when someone does BOTH of them?

              The answer is ofc literally nothing, when said person is protected by the instance admins who are also the developers of this codebase. I wonder what would have happened though if Huffman was caught saying something similar to the users of Reddit? Yeah, nothing, that’s right - it’s not like we would leave Reddit or anything:-P. (Except I did, and now I’ve left Lemmy too, hello from PieFed!:-D)

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                Afaik the admins are the creators of lemmy right? Or are they just the creators of a particular instance? If its the first i would imagine they are the only ones that can de-admin themselves, and if its the latter i would imagine no one can de-admin them

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                Yup, they are both shitty, and grounds to remove an admin.

                However when it’s a single event there’s still the chance that it won’t happen again, as the admin could regret it. There’s still grounds for “this won’t affect me, as a user, in the future”.

                And when it’s both, as you said, it gets even worse.

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              I believe this comment is the original, in which case I misremembered the situation slightly: the admin wasn’t telling the OP to kill themselves, but rather stating that they (the admin) wanted to kill the OP directly. They also doubled down on that further down, and tripled down still further, e.g. stating “I hope you die soon” (all while claiming that people with PTSD could have been triggered by a fictional depiction of an unannounced kiss among friends, yet ignoring how a mod stating irl that they wish to shoot a poster would also be a much worse trigger, for violence).

              A short synopsis is that a comic, written by a Latin American woman fwiw (Latin American people are more prone to touch each other, especially in relationships), about a game scenario wherein a girl kisses a guy friend, is removed and the admin tells the OP that they want to kill them (specifically, shoot them). All of this seems predicated on the misunderstanding that in the game you need to reach 10 hearts prior to being able to kiss someone, whereas that is actually at 8 hearts and by 10 hearts you can already safely ask for their hand in marriage… or something like that. Anyway the (fictious) guy in this comic about the game has already asked the girl out on a date at the level 8 marker, offering her a bouquet of flowers, which she accepts, and then the scenario in question occurs at the level 10 marker. This is by no means a “sexual assault” - they are in an established relationship, which took effort to build up, requiring back and forth signals from both sides, each acquiescing and signaling a readiness to not only continue it but to escalate it further. But the admin did not research the game, and instead went off unhinged with this wish for OP to die by their own hand.

              There is an ENORMOUS amount of additional backstory details in https://lemm.ee/post/45248880 if you want to read more. Ignore Lvxferre and I’s tangent on moderation practices in hexbear but definitely pay attention to Lvxferre’s top-voted explanation of the context and below that a direct discussion with the actual admin in question, or at least the beginnings of one though the admin immediately ceased responding upon the first pushback of their practices. Also here’s an extremely relevant & helpful comment: https://lemm.ee/post/45248880/15580086, and below that an additional conversation between the admin and the OP, wherein despite how vehemently the admin goes hard against OP for “sexual assault”, in describing his own comment advocating for murder of the OP he says simply “It’s just a comment bro” (the irony there is palpable!).

              Some of the original is now impossible to follow properly bc despite the admin continuing to get triggered by OP’s words in defense of their actions, we can now see only the admin’s side of the story, as OP’s have all been forcibly removed. However, that’s enough imho, bc no matter what the defense was seems irrelevant given that level of rhetoric levied against OP, describing their murder at the hands of the admin. And all for a (comic about a game about a) kiss that was reciprocated hence consensual to begin with, and among people who have already begun to become romantically involved, that the admin decided must be described as none other than sexual assault.

              Don’t get lost in all the details and miss the main point though: even if the admin had been correct about the kiss, how would that justify their own actions to say how they wanted to murder OP and hopes that they die soon?

              People continually report being disappointed by the moderation practices going on at lemmy.ml, hence moving communities off of it is a self-protective measure to try to keep Lemmy alive rather than allow such to send people away, possibly back to Reddit.

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          That rule becomes clear very quickly when you’re familiar with Lemmy. (Unless you’re defederated from .ml.)

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            It is not enough; it should be explicit. Users should be able to know the rules of an instance before they even interact with it.

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        I’m avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn’t put even more eggs in that basket, you know.

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            Nobody is throwing eggs out. I’m recommending one basket instead of another, that’s it.

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              Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.

              If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.

              Get a game developer to start posting their stuff on your new instance. Get celebrities to start posting their AMAs somewhere. Get big newspapers to start their own instance.

              Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have. Federation is a feature, not a purpose, and it’s already doing its job by making .ml less relevant for a good reason.

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                Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.

                !showsandmovies@lemm.ee has twice the number of active users compared to !television@lemmy.world , still people won’t move to it, keeping both communities active and preventing grow of a single community on that topic.

                If you’re so in favor of growing single communities on a topic, could you please consider redirecting to the lemm.ee community? It’s not like LW is lacking in active communities

                Same for !movies@lemm.ee and !movies@lemmy.world

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                  I’d generally be in favor of some kind of cooperation agreement. I’d certainly promote the larger community over the smaller one.

                  We absolutely have allowed moderators to close and redirect their community off of LW…

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                Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.

                Yeah, because people don’t totally cross-post stuff all the time, or subscribe to multiple comms around the same topic.

                If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.

                If you’re that pissed that I’m not listing .world comms, to the point of trying to boss me around (see emphasis on imperative), you can list yourself those comms. With blackjack and hookers.

                Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.

                Okay, full stop here. Cut off the crap - in no moment I’m trying to “kill” those communities in .world, and you’re being a disingenuous liar (or worse, a bloody moron) for claiming otherwise.

                Not going to waste my time further with you.

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      An odd choice on their part is dessalines upvoting every comment that corresponds to a removal or ban. Feels almost as though they’ve Jerry-rigged their moderation code to an extreme degree in order to keep up with the day job levels of moderation they’re doing.

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      Hello! That’s a very lovely formatted table with links, however, clicking on them does nothing for me whilst clicking on links otherwise in the replies does take me to the respective communities. I don’t know if it’s just me though.

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        That’s weird - are you accessing lemmy through a browser, or some app?

        Check if it works here: !funny@sh.itjust.works

        If it does then it’s the table interacting weirdly with the links, I can fix it by removing the table.

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      It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.

      I see a lot more of that on .world communities, specifically the news and political memes communities will remove comments for “misinformation” even if you’re citing academic works.

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        will remove comments for “misinformation”

        As they should

        even if you’re citing academic works.

        I’ve seen the “academic works” y’all cite, blog posts, YT videos, random books and retracted studies

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          From a formal logic perspective, your statement is true. But in real life, the more important distinction is not between “true” and “false”, but between “purposefully deceptive and ungenuine disinformation” versus “outspoken dissenting viewpoint”. And that is one that people are really bad at telling the difference between, especially if the viewpoint in particular is one that they hold very strongly.

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          Classically lemmy.world.

          “Your peer reviewed academic studies are misinformation, do you not read the news ?”

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        If the .world admins are doing it too, it’s also bad. Thankfully I didn’t list a single .world community, although for another reason.

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    As long as it’s not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won’t lead to good outcomes anywhere.

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      Absolutely! Grow a community on any instance that doesn’t allow the kind of users that lemmy.ml does I say.

      I think we gave them too much power by making their communities as big as we did

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            Or more subtly:

            I can’t even say life’s a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that’s not my intent and I don’t think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?

            It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn’t pay any regard to a comment’s set language so even If I set my comment to French “retard” will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.

            Je suis en retard
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            Edit: actually, let’s see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:

            Edit2: lmao

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          I was in an argument with some .ml tankie yesterday, and they had the gall to say that “free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated everywhere,” in response to a comment saying that the CCP censors speech. They didn’t like my assertion that that statement also applies to Nineteen Eighty-Four’s Ingsoc party. It’s technically true, that free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated in Oceania. It’s just that the government considers any dissent threatening.

          • My last straw was when I made a meme on their meme instance that had no Asians, anyone related to Asia, or racism in it. And they removed the post with 500+ up votes and a healthy discussion, because my title was “Rice.”

            They literally told me rice, the word by itself, is racist. I just chose a random word for the title to fill the blank.

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      Yeah, we’d hate to make a good alternative when everyone can just use Bluesky and Meta.

      The hate for .world simply because of size doesn’t make sense to me. It’s fine to make new (unique) communities elsewhere, but shunning the biggest successful communities on .world to try to grow empty communities on other instances is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

      If you’re constantly shunning the biggest instance simply for being big, you’ll end up killing Lemmy.

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        I don’t think most of the data in the network should be hosted by a single legal entity, that’s just unhealthy even if the protocol is open. It’s also my main complaint about bluesky- technically open protocol, de facto centralization.

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        There’s more than just being big, those things may not matter to you, or even the majority, but I’ve heard enough gripes repeated to know some people are bothered.

        The flip flopping on policies without clear transparency bothered some people but tbh I forgave that as growing pains of being in charge of a new popular platform.

        The one mentioned more often is how they’re one of the main ones to federate with Meta’s Threads. Integration isn’t really there right now anyway but every other major Lemmy instance has preemptively blocked them already:

        source

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          I can respect the Threads thing. That’s a valid reason other than “we need to be even smaller”.

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            It’s not that we need to be smaller, but we benefit if we all grow similarly, or at least the community distribution does.

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    Hello. Can I please make my internet experience both echoier and chamberier than it already is because it makes me sad when I encounter someone online who has different thoughts to me.

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      Like .ml admins cracking down on people suggesting that Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” was catastrophe because it forced a political will ignorant of economic reality on a society violently robbed of the ability to resist, even terrorised into meeting their quotas at any cost? Or the fact that purging and suppressing all dissidents in the first place was cruel and authoritarian, a brutal abuse of power of the same kind as Stalin’s and (in this one aspect, at least) Hitler’s?

      I’m a leftist to the bone, I recognise that a revolution without bloodshed wouldn’t have been possible at the time (and maybe never will be) and that a hard hand forcing fundamental changes to the political and educational system may well be required, but .ml has a well-known Tankie problem and they’re all too eager to follow in the steps of the boots they so love to lick.

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      Good point, that’s why they ban you on their instance when you write a counter argument.

      That’s another reason of becoming independent.

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          Have you actually been to lemmy.ml? They enforce vague rules to maintain their echo chamber

          Notably, no comments have been removed from this thread for either supporting or decrying the CCP

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      i dont watch shows i know i wont like on netflix. guess im in a echo chamber there too.