What IDF is doing is not remotely a ethnic cleansing

It is.

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it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.

or a genocide, that’s a genocide.

I never said, that its a genocide.

So maybe we could start to call the things with their name.

I do.

The “few ten thousands” were elected from the millions of people.

Yes, Hamas got 44,45% of the votes in 2006. But 43,5% of Palestinians in Gaza weren‘t even alive then. Most people, that live in Gaza today, didn‘t vote Hamas in 2006.

Is it awful that this happen ? Of course. Is it unexpected ? No.

I agree. Both the IDF and Hamas acted very predictable.

Well, I have not yet read anything that condemn what Hamas did on October the 7th

Why is that important, when we discuss, weather killing civilians is justified? I condemn the moral and legal crimes of Hamas. I condemn the rapes. I condemn the murder. I condemn what happened to the corpses afterwards. I condemn the attack on the another state. Are you happy now?

Yes, they are not killing them intentionally, they are collateral damages (awful but sad reality).

This was a collateral damage?

If the IDF was trying to intentionally kill civilians, let’s say that from a military point of view they are a joke.

Israel can‘t risk getting that much bad publicity. And why would they want to kill every Palestinian? That would be a waste of bullets in the minds of many Israeli politians. They want uninhabited land to settle on. Most of these far right politians don‘t care, what happens with the Palestinians.

Maybe, but it is also pretty dumb to not fulfill the with of Hamas and let them kill Israel civilian unpunished.

I think it is possible to fight Hamas without committing war crimes.

I am the one arguing that if the civilian make a choice then they pay the price.

Already answered that.

Well maybe, just maybe, if they try to be a good neighbor, Israel could begin to consider it.

What is the Palestinian civilian supposed to do to be a good neighbor? And why has Israel a right to determine if Palestine is allowed to be a state.

Obviously it is not something that could happen in a day, but it is something that can happen only if both side collaborate.

Yes. And Israel and Hamas are doing their best to prevent this collaboration.

No, I expect that the civilians do not vote for Hamas

Call me, when you find a time machine.

and help IDF to find the fighters to eradicate only Hamas fighters.

I am 100% sure there are Palestinians, that do that. There is collaboration in every war. But why would they do that? Why would they help a force, that tries to murder them against a force, that „only“ oppresses them?

I am not aware that the Israel constitution has the extermination of Gaza in it

I knew you would come up with that. I never said that. Stop arguing against things you make up. I was saying, that the IDF is currently murdering them, not that it is written in their constitution.

but it is true the opposite.

The charter of Hamas is neither the constitution of Gaza, nor Palestine. Saying that is like saying the election program of the democratic party is the constitution of the US, because Joe Biden is the president.

Partially. Palestinian elected Hamas, so as far as I am concerned Hamas is the Legitimate Representation of Palestinians. All the rest is a consequence

And I disagree. Is it now acceptable to commit war crimes?

Now stating facts made me an awful human… nice.

You didn‘t just „state facts“. You stated facts and then advocated for ethnic cleansing.

Or maybe the fact that I belive that a person (or a population) should be held responsible for their choices

Its astounding to see, how fast Israel-supporters go from „its awful that these innocent people are dying because of Hamas“ to „all Palestinians are one evil entity seeking nothing but to bath in the blood of raped women“ in one comment if it fits the narrative they are trying to push.

what an awful thing to say in these times…

Yes. Saying millions of people should be murdered, because of the actions of a few tenthousands is a awful thing to say. It was awful in the past and luckily still is awful today.

The question is: why the children should left behind if Egypt opens the border ? Are their parents so awful to left their children behind as they are fleeing ?

Separation in the chaos, child could be injured, child is too weak to walk and mother to starved to take it with her. There are plenty of reasons, why a mother and a child can be separated in a warzone. That you refuse to acknowledge these factors doesn‘t speak for your empathie.

No, they are not fair game, as every civilian is not fair game, in a war.

I am glad, that you acknowledge this.

I only noted that there is a possible solution to minimize the civilian deaths that could be implemented without Israel’s intervention.

Could be a solution to save lifes if we manage to feed all those people and provide medical help, yes. But it also blames a neutral third party instead of the party, that causes the suffering by blocking aid and bombing areas, they declared to be safe for civilians.

Why EU don’t pursue this option ?

Because Egypt already has taken in a lot of Palestinians and demanding they take even more wouldn‘t be smart on a diplomatic level.

But the problem here is that you people think that it is ok for Hamas to explicity target civilians

Literally nobody here, besides you, thinks its okay to target civilians.

while is wrong when Israel kill a civilian as a collateral damage.

So you are trying to tell me, that Israel didn‘t kill a single civilian intentionally?

collateral damage that is what Hamas wants as they openly stated. Read something about Mosab Hassan Yousef if you don’t belive me.

Its pretty dumb of Israel to fulfill the wish of Hamas, don‘t you think? Again: Nobody here is defending Hamas. You are the only one arguing in favor of killing civilians.

No, they are not worth to die but in the end the only option for them to be safe is to collaborate with Israel in eradicating Hamas and become an affidable interlocutor for peace talks.

And how is this supposed to happen, if Israel doesn‘t even recognize Palestine? Do you expect the Palestinians to sign a petition asking nicely to not murder them?

I could understand why Israel has some qualms to make an accord with someone that has in its charter the objective to destroy them.

I could understand why Palestinians may have some qualms to make an accord with someone that is murdering them.

And again: Palestinians =/= Hamas, Legitimate Representation of Palestinians =/= Hamas, starving Child in Gaza =/= Hamas

When you killed everyone in a coup

I didn‘t kill „everybody“. I killed the king, his family and his guards and maybe his ministers or generals

you are by definition a new military

No, I am a member of one of many militias

all your friends who are running around with rifles trying to do a coup are in it for power

Not all of them, but I understand what you mean

for everyone bright eyed idealist who will immediately relinquish his absolute authority that he just won by fighting a civil war, there will be 10 people who fought in civil war to get this absolute authority.

Yes. Thats how war works.

both technologies and situations are different now

Exactly

What are „serious groups“ and why are they better? Tell me, I want to learn.

maybe some leftists should organise in some way and maybe earn some respect and copy some tactics

Thats literally everything I do

Why isn’t Greta Thunberg sympathic?

I still don‘t get, what you are trying to achieve with your comments

Our horses are covering miles trotting swiftly, For us liberty is priceless

Then you get your single shot rifle and storm the the king’s palace with it, against a bunch of people with single shot rifles, kill them all, kill a king, all his family

Sounds good

thus establish a military goverment.

Nah, I just defeated the military. I would prefer a less authoritarian system

What are you trying to tell me with your comments?

Literally nobody outside of some telegram groups respects the current protests. And yes, there were Nazis at these protests without farmers taking issue with ist

Where were farmers beaten by police for no reason?

1. Obviously it was well organized. It isn‘t hard to organize if you have a powerful lobby, that is supporting your protest
2. It doesn‘t matter, that the majority of farmers were peaceful. The majority of protesters during the G20 protests in Hamburg 2017 were peaceful as well. They were still beaten by police. Why should the farmers get a better treatment, than any leftist protest?
3. The farmers in Germany were marching with literal neonazis. They delegitamized themself.
4. Most people didn‘t give a fuck about the farmers until they started blocking roads. Thats when the public opinion turned against them.
5. The farmers aren‘t all peaceful, as we have seen in Biberbach

What are these „serious“ groups and what are they doing, that makes them „serious“ in your opinion?

ok. Lets say Greta Thunberg stays at home. What now? What are we supposed to do?

The farmers in Germany absolutely used violence

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„Kiffen ist nicht cool. Es ist cool nicht zu kiffen.“

Please inform the FDP about that

In my case: I have ~7 very, very close friends, ~70 people, that are part of our direct network, ~160 people that are indirect part of our network and ~300 people I know of, that sympathize with us. Most people in the network are between 18 and 34 years old and have some experience with getting beaten up by police, can tank some punches and know how to fight in a fistfight.

Thing is: The fascists don‘t know every member of our network. Even I don‘t know every member, I only know a person, that knows a person, that knows the guy who can do me a favor.

I am trying to transform my community into a stronghold of democracy, that is ready to defend itself. Works relatively fine so far.

Organize. The old world is dying, the new world is yet to be born. We are standing at a tipping point not only regarding climate change, but also regarding the future of humanity. It is up to us, how we act and how the new world will look like.

And even if we loose: Its harder to deport and/or kill you, if a bunch of other people got your back.

Are the fascists roaming the streets to beat leftists and Arabs in your country too?

Only in the east and rural areas. So far.