More dataisdepressing than dataisbeautiful

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    3 months ago

    When I think of all the women & girls in my life that I care about, I remember that I could never be a conservative. It would be a betrayal.

    Assuming this is accurate, I’m pleased to see men in the UK bucking the trend.

    • People like you are why we cannot discuss political ideas without being put into a bucket and given some horrific label. Being conservative doesnt make u sexist some conservative views are sexist same as some progressive view are sexist. Stop spouting hate like politics is a football team and practice critical thinking where you can take ideas from all perspectives.

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      3 months ago

      This is out of date.

      People are losing faith rapidly in the left because they don’t seem to be for the everyday working class Briton like they used to be.

      There is a big shift going to Reform now largely because they want to reduce immigration. The left deny the situation and the right have claimed they will reduce it every year then increase.

      People are flooding to the “far right”* because they don’t seen the main parties address the main issue they want addressing and have been talking about for decades at this point, generations even.

      • not actually far right. But the left love throwing that term around to anyone that has a different opinion to them. They just want lower immigration, which historically has been a left leaning ideology
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        3 months ago

        Look I don’t know how to tell you this but just because you live in a bubble doesn’t mean everybody else does.

        That is not “a big shift in the UK towards reform”, don’t be daft. They only have 4 MPs only two of which ever bothered turning up, they are about as politically relevant as my underwear.

        Also Reform absolutely are far right they are basically Nazis, albeit brainless lazy incompetent ones. You need to go outside and interact with normal members of the human race rather than whoever it is you’re talking to on the “I’m not racist but…” Facebook group

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          3 months ago

          14% of the vote from a brand new party, with signs that’s increasing. It not insignificant

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            You’re taking data out of context. You can make it say anything when you do that.

            Labour won with fewer votes than they got in the last election which they lost. That tells me that this was mostly a protest vote people weren’t voting for any particular party that were voting for not to the conservatives.

            But in the 2025 election the conservatives won’t be in power and so there won’t be a protest vote against them. If reform do well in those elections that would be evidence of a shift until then the balance of probability is simply that they were the obvious processed vote for the right-wing inclined that did not want to vote for the conservatives.

            You cannot draw any conclusions from the results of such a politically unstable period.

            Additionally I’m not letting you off the hook for in any way trying to suggest that the reform party are in any way shape or form anything but a bunch of bigoted misogynists. How dare you suggest that they are simply a right-wing political party that the other parties are trying to lambast in an attempt to discredit them. They are far right extremists, stop trying to defend them.

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              2 months ago

              The average person wants lower immigration plain and simple.

              That’s what reform is largely winning votes on. Something that historically has been a left view.

              They are no where near as bad as everyone makes out. People are trying to paint them as Nazis.

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                Nigel farage literally (as in he actually did this) posed in front of a poster that was styled on Nazi propaganda. The only people making them out to be Nazis are themselves, they are being Nazis and people are pointing it out, that’s not people defaming them, that’s people pointing out that they are being Nazis. People like you are allow the hard right thrive, the bigots and racists are allowed to exist because apologists like you make excuses for them.

                Please be better. Or if you can’t be better at least stop spreading your uninformed opinions on the internet, no one needs to hear the opinions of a Nazi apologist.

                https://images.app.goo.gl/pL7xhiTGuwQPxKaKA

                Here is a link in case you might want to possibly educate yourself. I recommended it because currently you sound like a tit.

                • Wanderer@lemm.ee
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                  Wow being against uncontrolled immigration is so Nazi.

                  Literally no other person could think immigration should go down for any reason or any amount without being a Nazi.

                  I’m really glad you showed me a photo of someone concerned with immigration when it’s the number one issue in the country. Really proved that, that guy is a Nazi.

                  I do think he’s a dickhead. But Nazis and reform are different.

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                    Oh Jesus Christ you live in the bubble please live in the real world for god’s sake you disingenuous twat.

                    He is a Nazi I don’t care if you don’t like that word he is a Nazi, and you are a Nazi apologist. Please get yourself an education. Immigration is not a justification for being a fascist, it is an excuse he is using

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          3 months ago

          Do you know something about the UK I don’t?

          Please tell me about how the Tories link into this graph?

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            3 months ago

            The graph appears to show that from approximately 2010 (Libdem & Tory coalition) onwards for women, and a few years later (when we somehow got a full Tory government) for men, the younger people shown on the graph, said or thought something along the lines of “this Tory government is awful and we need to move in the opposite direction”.

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              3 months ago

              Its about not voting for the tories. More than it is anything else.

              Now there are more right options that will swing back. Hence how it is out of date.