• flying_gel@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      The constitution was made to be amended to adapt with the times. Time to amend the 2nd amendment and require a valid reason such as hunting for having a firearm.

      • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 months ago

        Valid reason 1. In order to increase the cost of wide spread authoritarian action against the people of the Unites States.

        • Gamoc@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          Americans like to say that but when fascists and authoritarians turn up the most gun obsessed Americans always love them.

        • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          But the 2nd amendment doesn’t increase the cost of authoritarian action. DeSantis just sent rounds of police to people’s homes for signing petitions to put abortion on the ballot in Florida.

          The 2nd amendment didn’t do jack shit to stop him from threatening people for their free speech. Because if a squad of a dozen cops lands on your front door, whether you like it or not you’re either going to be shot, detained, your guns taken away, etc. Having a gun doesn’t change that. You’re fucked, gun or not, if the state sends armed personnel to your home.

          And arguably you’re more fucked if you have a gun because of how trigger happy cops are. The moment they think you’re armed they’ll shoot you.

          • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            2 months ago

            I have 100% seen for myself cops shape their response out to places around where I live because the risk is not worth it to them. They focus on serious crimes and will flat refuse to go to do bs calls that are just minor neighbors disputes.

            If DeSantis wants to put the state in marshal law he would have to convince the armed citizens of the state that that is ok, or expect violent resistance which again cops are people, and people don’t like being shot, so expect hesitation on following some orders.

            • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              2 months ago

              If DeSantis wants to put the state in marshal law he would have to convince the armed citizens of the state that that is ok,

              No he doesn’t. All he has to do is send cops to people’s homes, one by one, like he just did. Nobody is going to meaningfully stand up to the police if they take people one at a time, one house at a time.

              so expect hesitation on following some orders.

              There’s no reason for there to be any more hesitation. Cops already believe themselves to be doing the most dangerous job, and they outgun you when they show up to your house. For them it’s just another day.

                • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  Not really. They’ve got more than enough cops to hit more than one house at a time. In Florida they have about 50k cops. If they sent 10 at a time per house, that’s 5000 homes they could invade at a time. That’s not hesitant or delayed at all.

                  • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    2 months ago

                    Those aren’t all swat teams, the admin running the counter isn’t coming in stomping ass on a moments notice. They aren’t all just chilling in the catacombs waiting to march on a moments notice either.

                    If they did however mobilize to max effect, you don’t think the arm population would immediately be on edge? That would be a full martial law order, which could be met with heavy resistance.

          • jerkface@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            2 months ago

            Right? You don’t need rights to take up arms against the government, and rights aren’t going to fucking help you if you try.

            • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              2 months ago

              The hard part is getting people to join you to take a stand. To make real change it has to be a significant portion of the population demanding change.