Sin and evil are equated lol. And any God who convicts people of their evil will be disliked by them, like how an angry kid dislikes a reasonable teacher
Isn’t sin by definition offence against a God?
The way I understand it christians see God as the ultimate authority. Like a father to a son.
It makes sense given the fact that we are raised in an authocratic environment.
I guess my point is when someone doesn’t believe in the concept of God, good and evil as an authority is nonsensical.
Eutyphro dillema and all that.
If you want to understand an atheist then you need to understand this first.
If you mostly care for the carrot and sticks of your particular religion then I understand why you aren’t motivated towards having a productive conversation.
Offence against God is evil. Morality doesn’t exist if it’s subjective. If morality is subjective, then who are you to tell me that doing x thing is wrong?
God isn’t merely a subject, He is the creator of the universe and of man, who is made in His image. Humans have a moral compass because God designed us to, I don’t see how it being an “evolved trait” refutes this
I know all the arguments, probably better than you know them yourself.
I was curious, investigated, saw nothing there that wasn’t obviously wishful thinking.
I have no interest in deconverting anyone, just to make sure we aren’t mischaracterised by the faithful (which we are all the time).
Sin and evil are equated lol. And any God who convicts people of their evil will be disliked by them, like how an angry kid dislikes a reasonable teacher
Isn’t sin by definition offence against a God? The way I understand it christians see God as the ultimate authority. Like a father to a son. It makes sense given the fact that we are raised in an authocratic environment. I guess my point is when someone doesn’t believe in the concept of God, good and evil as an authority is nonsensical. Eutyphro dillema and all that.
If you want to understand an atheist then you need to understand this first. If you mostly care for the carrot and sticks of your particular religion then I understand why you aren’t motivated towards having a productive conversation.
Offence against God is evil. Morality doesn’t exist if it’s subjective. If morality is subjective, then who are you to tell me that doing x thing is wrong?
God is a subject. Is he good? If so, how would you know?
Morality is an evolved trait they also can find in other apes on a different scale.
God isn’t merely a subject, He is the creator of the universe and of man, who is made in His image. Humans have a moral compass because God designed us to, I don’t see how it being an “evolved trait” refutes this
I can’t refute what hasn’t been proven…
I know all the arguments, probably better than you know them yourself. I was curious, investigated, saw nothing there that wasn’t obviously wishful thinking.
I have no interest in deconverting anyone, just to make sure we aren’t mischaracterised by the faithful (which we are all the time).
I’m arguing on the basis of the Christian God who isn’t subjective
If you say so…