No, I’m not.
Neither am I. MAGA asshats can go screw off. They want to destroy this country. I don’t condone assassination unless truly warranted (talking overt, doubtless genocide as an example), I sure as hell don’t commiserate with MAGA just because of this incident.
Oh ogey…
I would like to put it on the record that I’m 100% not MAGA. Not today. Not ever. Also, go fuck yourself.
No. We may all be Americans, but MAGA is an alt-right hateful term, and I will never align myself with that.
We can align as Americans and condemn violence, but that means condemning all violence.
Genuinely, if Trump is a genuine risk to democracy and risks increasing support to Israel, why must he be defeated in a vote? Like, if he becomes Hitler 2 and erases democracy and ups the genocide, is that okay with you because he won the vote?
He must be defeated in a vote to send a clear message he is not wanted/has no mandate. He can cry “stolen election” all he wants, he won’t be in charge, and after 2 presidential losses and 2 disastrous midterms the GOP will move on. Eventually he has to win or he has no power.
Kinda hard to do if his brains get splattered. Either way though, vote or not, the world does not work by Great Man Theory. Trump’s ideas aren’t popular among his voters because he is Trump, the GOP will not move on regardless.
I’m not American
So what happens if Trump wins and goes full hitler? You just gonna line up to get carted off to a camp? Because this seems to be something you libs also think. So if that is the stakes then when does violence become acceptable?
I am genuinely curious how far your absolute pacifism goes.
Or what about the violence being funded by our government being inflicted on Palestinians and still being perpetrated against Native people here?
That violence is okay with you right?
Don’t lie to yourself you people fucking love violence when it benefits you.
Do you condemn the violence necessary to continue the existence of America?
No. We may all be Americans, but MAGA is an alt-right hateful term, and I will never align myself with that.
We can align as Americans and condemn violence, but that means condemning all violence.
/ seriously Well, have ye heard of the term “chickens coming home to roost”? I think that’s what Trump had coming for him, I guess…
I’m not condoning what was done. It truly is awful what happened. However, you spout hateful, phobic, misogynistic, ableist rhetoric since the 2016 campaign? Maybe don’t be surprised.
However, you spout hateful, phobic, misogynistic, ableist rhetoric since the 2016 campaign?
2016? Motherfucker has been spouting hate as far back as we are willing to judge people for spouting hate.
Fine, I guess the chicken came to roost 😔
Is this victim blaming?
No this is the find out stage.
No, this is Patrick.
Yes, but unironically
Lol oh honey
No the fuck we aren’t.
Go fuck yourself.
Get fucked with a barrel cactus.
With a saguaro; that way she can get a twofer.
Sir, this is a meme community.
Wdym… civility demands this, so?
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I’ve seen the author on political shows in the UK. She’s the worst kind of right wing hack and her opinions are worthless.
I condemn such political violence, but I wouldn’t have shed a single tear for Trump.
Fuck MAGA. Fuck Trump.
Why condemn it? Violence is an unfortunate tool, but a tool nontheless, and abandoning it when oppressors use it without care just means you aren’t taking things seriously. Hitler should have been assassinated.
By weighing all violence as immoral you are not ruling it out completely. You make it a last-resort, where you avoid one great injustice with a lesser injustice - a lesser injustice which you still face consequences for.
The alternative is morally sanctifying some murders, which leads to ‘morally justified’ murders being done by all political sides (since they each view themselves as ‘the moral ones’), and which eventually gets twisted into the party in power murdering their opponents with impunity because it’s ‘morally justified’.
Moralism itself is just a tool to justify the status quo. Nothing is inherently good by maintaining “civility,” especially if violence is the status quo.
Shooting Nazis is good. Shooting Gazans is bad. Violence is a tool, but not always the correct one, nor is it never correct.
I think that is a misreading of why moral codes come into being, and I am not trying to preach moralism.
Moral codes are not universal truths, but instead rules of engagement for maintaining order within a system, and they exist within every social scope, though their level of detail tends to decay as the scope becomes more interpersonal. They’re not really a tool of the state, but instead just a human tool. The state just codifies its own and disseminates it into the social collectives it rules.
My statement above is a moral observation about political morality within the US, and which I view is generally a useful rule within any democratic political system (I am referring to systems which have a structure and voting system associated with democratic processes, not necessarily ideal or actual democracies).
I am also not saying that this moral code is necessarily good for us or the system itself at any given moment, but stating why this moral code exists in the first place, and why anyone who is apart of our system and wants that system to survive (whether that be for avoiding personal turmoil or political ideology) will continue to condemn assassination attempts from any side.
Moral codes are not universal truths, but instead rules of engagement for maintaining order within a system, and they exist within every social scope, though their level of detail tends to decay as the scope becomes more interpersonal. They’re not really a tool of the state, but instead just a human tool. The state just codifies its own and disseminates it into the social collectives it rules.
Yes, moral codes are generally arbitrary. When wielded by the state to maintain the status quo, it becomes a tool of the state.
My statement above is a moral observation about political morality within the US, and which I view is generally a useful rule within any democratic political system (I am referring to systems which have a structure and voting system associated with democratic processes, not necessarily ideal or actual democracies).
The US isn’t truly democratic. Both major parties serve the interests of their donors, ie huge Capitalists, and the candidates presented fit with that alignment. In this manner, political pressure outside the scope of “civility” is presented as immoral, despite civility itself being used to perpetuate anti-democratic structures.
I am also not saying that this moral code is necessarily good for us or the system itself at any given moment, but stating why this moral code exists in the first place, and why anyone who is apart of our system and wants that system to survive (whether that be for avoiding personal turmoil or political ideology) will continue to condemn assassination attempts from any side.
Yes, this is why Biden has batted more for Trump than any child murdered in Gaza. Biden needs civility to remain, or else he too will become a target.
I do not.
Fuck MAGA, Try again on Trump.
You don’t have to be a MAGA worshiper to be a decent human being that doesn’t want someone to be killed by a random person, because of their beliefs or talking points. That being said… I want to hear that Trump died in a federal prison of natural causes.
Maga worshippers tend to be the exact opposite of decent human beings.
I was playing along with OP’s narrative.
Amen…
Troll gonna troll.
So you think Hitler didn’t deserve to die? That all the Nazi officers america brought here and gave government positions were deserving.
Godwin
Godwin thinks Trump Hitler comparisons are totally fair because Trump is a fascist looking to install a fascist regime in America. It’s a good read.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/20/godwins-law-trump-hitler-comparisons/
That’s cool, thank you for sending that!
Nah, violence is a tool, and if someone poses a genuine threat to democracy and can up the genocide, it’s understandable that people would try to stop them. If they get democratically elected and then commit a bunch of genocide, them getting popped is a consequence.
I’m fact you have to not be a MAGA worshipper to be a decent human being. It’s a hateful ideology exclusively for hateful people.
Regardless of what causes it or where he happens to be when it happens, I’m looking forward to his funeral.
I will treat this with all the solemnity that Trump would if it was one of his political opponents
If I had a nickel every time a .world user says something I agree with I would have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened more than once.Indeed…
Gross. Absolutely gross.
The most perturbing question for the liberal is the question of violence. The liberal’s initial reaction to violence is to try to convince the oppressed that violence is an incorrect tactic, that violence will not work, that violence never accomplishes anything. The Europeans took America through violence and through violence they established the most powerful country in the world. Through violence they maintain the most powerful country in the world. It is absolutely absurd for one to say that violence never accomplishes anything.
Today power is defined by the amount of violence one can bring against one’s enemy — that is how you decide how powerful a country is; power is defined not by the number of people living in a country, it is not based on the amount of resources to be found in that country, it is not based upon the good will of the leaders or the majority of that people. When one talks about a powerful country, one is talking precisely about the amount of violence that that country can heap upon its enemy. We must be clear in our minds about that. Russia is a powerful country, not because there are so many millions of Russians but because Russia has great atomic strength, great atomic power, which of course is violence. America can unleash an infinite amount of violence, and that is the only way one considers America powerful. No one considers Vietnam powerful, because Vietnam cannot unleash the same amount of violence. Yet if one wanted to define power as the ability to do, it seems to me that Vietnam is much more powerful than the United States. But because we have been conditioned by Western thoughts today to equate power with violence, we tend to do that at all times, except when the oppressed begin to equate power with violence — then it becomes an “incorrect” equation.
From “The Pitfalls of Liberalism” by Kwame Ture
Fuck no
I understand…
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No.
