Because teaching isn’t about having the smart kid demonstrate that they know the answer, it’s about getting the kid who doesn’t understand the question to engage and learn.
Any of you who may one day have children would do well to understand the above.
i can’t think of a better way to get shy kids to engage and learn than to figuratively put them on a pedestal in front of the whole class and have them demonstrate that they don’t know the answer.
Plenty of shy kids don’t raise their hand even if they do know or could quickly find the answer with a little engagement.
Yes, it’s uncomfortable for them to pick them anyway but it’s better than just giving them a bad grade.
If you see learning as “I always must know all the answers when asked by a teacher” you will never learn.
I understand that but one teacher completely killed my joy in a subject. He at some point never took me to answer a question even when I was the only one raising a hand. So I stopped contributing.
I am a teacher and can confirm that you’re right.
100% I need to know what that kid is thinking, so I can guide them to the answer.
Maybe try doing that in a way that doesn’t publicly shame them.
Sure, how? Engagement is a tricky thing, and kids “cheat” on homework and look up answers. Hearing from a student in class is the best way for me to see their thought process.
Is there a reason you can’t simply keep this child in for a few minutes when everyone is on recess to ask them what they’re struggling with?
Because I don’t know their struggling until I hear their thought process. Hell, they usually don’t know they’re misunderstanding things until they start trying to explain the concepts I’m asking them about. Which is why I want to hear from every student periodically.
-edit- also I teach older kids. No recess.
Yeah, nah. There is nothing “getting to engage and learn” about calling you to the front of the class to solve an equation knowing full well that you won’t be able to then proceed to berate you while never explaining dick. Literally only made me skip class.
Anyone can put out information. Checking comprehension and ensuring understanding is an entirely different thing.
Ok old man
I had a French teacher who targeted me like this. She would call on me multiple times per lesson when I didn’t know the answer and she would give me a detention if I didn’t put my hand up at least twice per lesson and correctly answer.
She claimed that she was doing this because she liked me and that I had a French last name but the other dumb kid with a French last name didn’t get the same treatment. I went from getting 50% in exams to 90% by the end of the year and I dropped French straight after that. Which sucked because I liked French but I couldn’t risk getting stuck with her for another year. In total she must have caused me to spend at least 150 hours in detention
Your French teacher was better than mine. She’d roll her cart into the classroom speaking gibberish (My friend spoke fluent French. He couldn’t understand a word she said) and then she’d throw Telefrancais on as if that’s acceptable for teaching 8th grade French. Then give us worksheets in French with no explanation or teaching of the material, and sending us to the office if we tried to use a phone to translate them.
Her nonsense put my French learning behind, and made it all the more difficult in high school. Thanks Ms. Benaquista.
Yeah she may have been a cunt but she was still good at teaching.
That’s discrimination. You should of complained to a school administrator.
Oh noo a teacher was effective teaching me something, better drop the subject.
Dude. They saw potential in you, in your language intelligence and got you into a place where you were doing great with it.
If a teaching method causes a student to stop learning, it’s a bad method
Not quite. There are 30+ kids in each class. No technique is perfect, and you need to look at the whole situation to make that kind of determination.
If I scare a kid by asking them to speak, for example, and they drop the class, that’s not a teaching issue unless [insert lengthy backstory here].
But the entire meme is that point. The teacher needs to ensure the dumb shy kid so they can come out of their shell, grow and become a functional adult. The kid killing school isn’t going to need as much of a hand.
Nah, because there are countless students that “quit because the teacher didn’t teach how I wanted them to” which usually means “I couldn’t just do fuckall and pass”.
Nah, because “nuh uh, some kids are just lazy” doesn’t mean anything
Yeah, it means everything. Learning is work. Teachers aren’t there to put up a shitty movie and scroll on their phone. Yet countless people complain that their teachers taught them because they didn’t like the work. This guy was a prime example of that - hige results but gave up because they had to work at it.
The results are giving up
The results are the knowledge of a subject. Plenty of people say “oh the teacher sucked that’s why I’m so bad at X” when it’s purely on the student not willing to work at it.
You missed the part about hours spend in detention.
Punishment is not an accepted means of instruction because it causes this type of trauma response.
They may have learned French but they also learned to hate learning French which is counter- productive to continuing with French education.
Yeah you are right. I choose to take French because I had an interest in the subject but after her class I hate French. For example of a good teacher I hated math and was getting 30% in exams then one of the teachers was really good at engaging the class and I got 90% that year. It was form 6 math which is even more impressive because he was able to teach me all the building blocks I’d missed from over the years and the new concepts all in one year. If it weren’t for him I would have never caught up and gone on to take advanced math in uni ( which I failed but that was for other reasons)
Hey, most of us only do it if the kid is speaking.
Otherwise if random calling I’ll pick a table and be like someone from that table. And then give them the option to phone a friend.
It’s about engagement, we don’t really care if the answer is right or wrong, just wanting people paying attention and giving it a think.
This is why I stopped raising my hand. I got tired of being the only person to answer.
“I couldn’t hear you, you’re mumbling again.”
Do any full adults bitter about incidents of their childhood really think it was out of spite? I just want a simple yes or no. Like the teacher gets paid either way, and it must be awkward as fuck to drag a shy kid out a bit who is going to be wrong. I just wonder if people really really believe this was out of malice.
Johnny knows the answer, Johnny always knows the answer, Johnny shouldn’t even be in that class, and yes Johnny puts his hand up each and every time. Tim might know the answer, might not. Tim never talks. Tim is in big trouble grade-wise if he doesn’t know the answer on the next exam. So give him a nudge, make sure he knows that he doesn’t know, and maybe he will study. Cause if you let Tim just sit and space out they are going to get an F.
Anyway back to your bitterness. I am sure it is perfectly reasonable to be a 32 years old upset about being called on by teacher when you were 11.
Bitter? I wouldn’t say anyone I know is bitter. It’s just one of those tropes we all lived through, it’s not somehow a commentary about you or me. I just post this stuff from storage based on what I haven’t posted yet. But you seem to be picking some oddly specific ages and typing up an oddly specific rant so it feels strangely hella personal here.
It’s called abstraction, maybe if you paid attention in class you would know what that is.
See this is what I mean. I shared a random meme and here you are taking it like some kind of personal shot against you. “maybe if you’d paid attention in class” type toxic shit.
No.
I think it’s done to help quiet kids on more fronts than just ensuring that they know. It helps the quiet ones engage with their peers, and encourages them to perform under pressure.
Can someone get my man some grass to touch
#adhdlife
You aren’t hanging on my every word constantly all day! How could you be so disrespectful?
