• Jode@midwest.social
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    11 months ago

    They completely whiffed on the most important and obvious part. That whole article could be replaced by the words “THEY’RE TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE”.

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      11 months ago

      The article doesn’t whiff on this, it lays out why it’s too expensive.

      1. The strategy was to replace gas cars with EV 1-to-1 to solve the climate crisis and save the car industry.
      2. Gas cars have gotten bigger over the years because of marketing, bravado, “safety”, and regulation-skirting.
      3. EV-makers have largely bought into that and made all these huge EVs.
      4. Huge EVs require bigger batteries which are more expensive in raw materials and manufacturing.
      5. Huge batteries are heavy and dangerous.
      6. Range anxiety has encouraged even more oversized batteries on already oversized cars.
      7. Huge batteries are the main source of cost, meaning EVs end up being a luxury.

      So, yes–they are too damn expensive, however a vehicle that meets our actual needs wouldn’t be, if it existed in North America.

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        11 months ago

        The crazy thing is, outside of the US, small and cheap vehicles are the norm. Both ICE and EV.

        I’m still convinced that if a major automaker brought a line like they have in the likes of China or France to the US market, they’d be hugely popular. That people WANT cheap vehicles and are willing to compromise on size to get them – that the reason vehicles are getting pushed bigger is because that compromise is not an option. I think there’s massive untapped demand for things like mini city cars and kei trucks. But the profit margins would be lower for the manufacturer, so even if it was still a profitable business model the US automakers don’t do it and exert their influence in various ugly ways to prevent it from happening (e.g., all the states that have used administrative levers to ban registration of imported keis based on total nonsense safety arguments).

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          11 months ago

          I think there’s massive untapped demand for things like mini city cars and kei trucks.

          Not just that, but even the more middle ground small cars. I’d love to have an EV truck sized the way they were in the 80’s/90’s (which was more or less comparable to a midsize sedan, just taller). The push to bigger and bigger wheelbases to take advantage of loopholes in the efficiency standards really doesn’t need to be reflected in EVs, but it’s what all the major automakers are doing.

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            11 months ago

            I ride a bike 95% of the time for my trips, but I have to own and maintain a car because the city I live in, which is FAR better than most in the US, still doesn’t make it possible to let me function without needing an occasional car trip. And the box hardware store near me almost never has its light truck rentals available for those occasional errands. To get to the nearest proper vehicle rental place… you guessed it, I’d have to get in a car.

            I was very seriously investigating a Kei import for my needs. They’re cheap, small, easy to maintain, and insanely versatile. I arrived at doing this after researching what kinds of small, reliable trucks I might be able to find for my rare uses and ultimately gave up – all of them are roadboats these days.

            Then some state bureaucrat arbitrarily declared that imported keis were somehow less safe for their drivers than motorcycles, bikes, and scooters and so cannot be registered any longer. There’s basically no vehicles for sale that I would want and find useful at this point.

            I’ve honestly been looking into setting up a trailer for my bike for hauling a sheet or two of plywood. It might be my best overall option, since I can’t fit them in my ancient Honda.

            All that to say: yeah, there’s no middleground anymore. There’s ONLY road yachts for people who view them as status symbols and transit vans for people who actually have work to get done, but either way too expensive for me to justify.