Hey folks! I’m getting a fresh laptop for the first time in about a decade (Framework 16) in a couple of months and am looking forward to doing some low-level tinkering both on the OS and hardware. I’m planning to convert into a “cyberdeck” with quick-release hinges for the screen since I usually use an HMD, built-in breadboard, and other hardware hacking fun.
On the OS, I’m planning to try NixOS as a baremetal hypervisor (KVM/QEMU) and run my “primary” OSes in VMs with hardware passthrough. If perf is horrible, I’ll probably switch back to baremetal after a bit. But, I’m not likely going to be gaming on it so, I’m not likely to have much issue.
Once the hypervisor is working in a manner that I like, I should have an easy time backing up, rolling back, swapping out my “desktop” OS. I’ve been using Linux as my pretty much my only OS for over a decade (I use MacOS as a glorified SSH client for work). Most of my time has been on distros in the Debian or RHEL families (*buntu, Linux Mint, Crunchbang, CentOS, etc) and I pretty much live in the terminal these days.
With all of this said, I am coming to you folks for help. I would like you folks to share distros, desktop environments, window managers that you think I should give a try, or would like to inflict on me and what makes them noteworthy.
I can’t guarantee that I’ll get through suggestions, as my ADHD has been playing up lately, but I’ll give it an attempt. Seriously. If you want me to try Hannah Montana Linux, I’ll do it and report back on the experience.
EDIT: Thank you all for your fantastic suggestions. I’m going to start compiling them into a list this weekend.
TempleOS
You know what? Yeah. I’ve wanted to try that product of schizophrenic mania for a while.
Must try distros: Fedora, Mint, Void. But seriously, if you are using Nix to begin with, why use anything else? Nix is as good as it gets. If you really want to do a combo, I would recommend Fedora or Mint using Nix as just the package manager and not the hypervisor. All distros are basically the same nowadays.
Must try desktop environments: Xfce, Cinnamon, Gnome, KDE Plasma
Why do you say Nix is good as it gets? I am an old graybeard mostly( SuSe, Debian and FreeBSD)
In short: Nix tracks all installable software and dependencies using a Merkel tree data structure to ensure fully reproducible builds of software. This Merkel tree also provides properties similar to that of a C.O.W. filesystem where you can snapshot and rollback system software build configurations in O(1) time, it just rewrites a fixed number of symbolic links to the root of the desired Merkel tree. In my opinion, it is the most technologically advanced package manager currently in existence.
Every input that goes into building a piece of software on Nix OS (or in the Nix package manager in general) is hashed and placed into a database on the system. These hash IDs become dependencies for everything they are used to build. By tracing the chain of hash IDs you can guarantee that every single bit that goes into the build of the system software is accounted for. If two separate computers with the same ISA are running the same tree of packages verifiable by their hash IDs, you are guaranteed that both computers are running the exact same software. All dynamic libraries, shared libraries, executable files, and even the config files in the package database refer only to other files in the database.
When you use Nix OS, not just the package manager, the C compiler, boot loader, and kernel are themselves build inputs. You can even roll back to a snapshot of a working system from the bootloader menu if you accidentally break your system (as long as the package database is not corrupted).
Finally, the system itself is both built and configured using a declarative programming language. So you install software by declaring that it should exist, and the package manager computes precisely which dependencies must be installed to realize what it is you have declared in the system configuration files. Making a change to what is installed requires simply altering the lines of code in the system configuration file. You can also use these configuration files to easily construct Docker images or Flatpacks.
I’ve never really Fedora or Void. Will definitely try those.
Of your DEs, I think KDE is the only one that I’ve not used significantly. I need to fix that. I think MATE deserves a place there too.
ETA: As for why not just Nix or Nix as a package manager? I’ve become accustomed to being in VMs all of the time and really like the way that doing so impacts how I interact with a system and extra capabilities provided.
For a totally different experience, and if you ever want to spin up a distro in a “container” there’s BlendOS https://blendos.co/
I’m an Arch user so I’m sort of staying where I am but am always open to ideas, so I tried Blend a while back. As said on this page for the distro: https://itsfoss.com/immutable-linux-distros/
“In other words, you can install any package on the distro (RPM, DEB, etc.) while getting the immutability and update reliability as one would expect.”
That pretty much describes it and I recall, it did well. I also tried this one which is touted to be AI enhanced and feels more like they are making good progress: https://www.makululinux.com https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/new-makululinux-release-brings-ai-to-the-max-177104.html
To get the AI to the max, you need to pay a fee, but It’s all in the name of supporting development.
Wow, I don’t pay as much attention to developments in the space as I did a few years ago and I can see I should start to again. These are some pretty interesting distros you’ve linked.
Intriguing. I do have reservations about “all-the-package-types” but need to give that a try, for novelty, if nothing else.
XFCE with Compiz as the compositor
Or just straight Compiz
Make sure you enable all the funny effects like the cube, cube animations, 3D windows, advanced window animations, transparency effects, sky box, etc.
All easy to do with compiz config manager.
That’s a name that I’ve not heard in a long time. Wasn’t aware that Compiz was still active. It was my favorite compositor until the Gnome 3 switch.
Yeah I’m surprised it doesn’t show up as much anymore despite being both a performant and highly customizable platform.
Lots of the effects aren’t available on other DEs, and the team behind has so far actually maintained all the plugins.
Hyprland DE is the new hotness
just steer clear from the community https://drewdevault.com/2023/09/17/Hyprland-toxicity.html
…or the dev https://fosstodon.org/@drewdevault/111363547103465966
“yes, I do believe that there could be arguments to sway my opinion towards genocide.”
Wow.
Would you not consider genocide during a zombie apocalypse?
I genuinely don’t know whether this comment is a joke or not
that means the joke is on point i hope?
This sounds like pro-zombie propaganda.
Yikes. What is it about Hyperland that attracts these kinds of people?
from what I’ve read it’s rather the lack of moderation (due to the dev’s views) that doesn’t reject them. similar situation to the Nazi bar.
It’s like Arch, but x10. People think Arch > Any other distro, Wayland > Xorg, Hyprland > any other DE, Rust > C, etc
Yeah, I’ve been wanting to try Hyprland but have been holding off for that exact reason.
Currently on i3, maybe I’ll give sway a go.
That’s one that I’ve been that I’ve been meaning to give a shot.
Hyprland would look so sick on a cyberdeck
If you’re a tinkerer it’s kind of addicting. I thought I’d give it a try just to see what it was like, and ended up staying up all night customizing it, and now about a month later I don’t really want to go back to KDE (been using KDE for almost 20 years)
Agreed, it really makes me excited to use my PC.
I wouldn’t recommend specific ones, but I would recomnend you try out distros with unique features. Such as an immutable one, one that is built from source, one with packages, one with snap, one with flatpack, etc.
This will help you understand and evaluate what you like.
I’m slightly biased, but if you already know a bit of Linux and desire more control / customisation, or want to understand how a system is put together, then I highly recommend Gentoo Linux. The install process is pretty simple, and with the new binary package hosts you have the option of quickly installing precompiled packages to get a system installed or up-to-date.
The
USE
flags on packages, combined with portage the package manage enable an unparalleled level of configurability, the community is welcoming and respect user choice about how they want to configure / use their system, and the documentation on the wiki is top notch - I’d say better than the arch wiki in terms of quality overall.Yeah. Gentoo has been on my list for a while. I’m pretty comfortable building things from source (don’t even bother with packages for Neovim these days - they never seem up to date for my distro). Curious to see the workflows.
Chiming in to also recommend Gentoo. It’s a pretty stable rolling release distro, with access to pretty new packages when necessary.
If you still want Gentoo, but you are human who don’t have infitive amount of time - Arch would do.
Or try Gentoo’s new binary repo.
why though? what is. the point of gentoo than
Choice. Customisation. Building from source is a means to an end, not an end itself.
Why not? Best of all worlds. Convenience of a binary package repo along with the benefits of still being able to use portage and use flags for packages where the default build doesn’t meet your needs.
you can build from source on any distro though
You typically cannot have the package manager handle, track, and manage all of that for you though. Especially not USE flags / toggling package features
oh I didn’t know that the gentoo package manager could do that, that answers my question
You obviously missed the part where I discussed the option to use the binary package repository and mix and match binary and from-source packages.
Manjaro KDE.
I cant really understand how people are still recommending Manjaro, just get Arch pure or EndeavourOS. Its more up to date and has fewer package conflicts and inconsistencies because they arent arbitrarily held back. Also doesnt ddos aur. It even has a guided graphical installer. Additionally if you need some GUI to manage your packages then just install pamac to get the same one as in manjaro or use pacseek.
That’s nice.
The fact that you think Arch is a better replacement for Manjaro tells me that your opinion is not worth considering.
Manjaro is Arch in a trenchcoat and on crutches lagging two weeks behind with its packages. Holding them back doesnt provide any additional stability and on the contrary has repeatedly caused conflicts. They simply dont have the capacity to check all the packages so its pretty much useless to prevent timely updates. The only difference between then is that manjaro has a few more preinstalled Apps and pamac. And EndeavourOS covers that, its a kind of Arch for beginners, easy install, and lots of Software preinstallable.
Ok.
It’s always sad seeing you people get up in arms just to hate on manjaro. It’s like you feel it’s your duty to enter into an argument whenever someone mentions something good about Manjaro.
I think it’s tribalism at play.
Lol I vote for nixos on nixos 😹
My #1 distro recommendation would be Fedora Atomic (immutable Fedora variants).
It’s still a bit “underground” and hasn’t reached huge popularity yet, but I see its potential that it will very soon.
I have ADHD too and Fedora Atomic is a lifesaver. Why?
- You can “distrohop” anytime you want by rebasing. With that, you basically swap out the OS with something else (examples will follow), but keep your data and some settings. If you are on Fedora Workstation (Gnome) and want to have KDE, installing and removing those packages is a huge huge mess. On the OSTree variant, it’s just one command, 5 minutes of waiting, and bam, you have a clean install. I do that all the time.
- Less bugs and better security by reproducibility. Every install is the same.
- Very quick rollbacks if something did go wrong. You can’t brick your OS, which I did a lot before.
- Huge choice. See at universal-blue.org , it provides vanilla images with some quality of life changes, as well as custom ones, including “unsupported” DEs and spins, e.g. a gaming distro. They aren’t forks per se, they are basically build scripts and maintain themselves, which is why they’re always up to date and way better than Nobara for example.
- Distrobox pre-installed: you can just create an Arch container and use the AUR from it. So you don’t need to run (and troubleshoot) Arch on bare metal, but can comfortably benefit from all great things Arch provides
If you are an advanced linux user then I would suggest giving a try to the following distros: arch, void, gentoo and (like you said in the post) nixOS.
The reason behind is that this distros are focused on the tinkering aspect of linux, the experience of setting up everything the way you want.
If you want to give a shot to WMs I would suggest i3, sway, dwm, dwl, river, bspwm, Qtile and hyperland (maybe focus more on the Wayland ones if you want to try the latest software).
Forget a DE, sounds like you need a WM. Definitely check out some tiling options like i3 or sway, especially since you spend so much time in the terminal.
Every linux enthusiast should try Qubes at least once. The architecture is totally different, vastly more secure in many ways than most Linux distros. It’s definitely not for everybody, but if privacy and security rank high on your priority list it’s worth a look. It never ends up in Linux top ten lists for some reason, but it’s an incredible OS.
One neat little distro is bedrock linux. Its pretty sweet being able to grab packages from the aur on something like Debian.
We just had a post about Distrobox earlier today. It gives you the same funstionality on any distro.
|Original | free version to try|
|Debian|PureOS|
|Ubuntu|Trisquel|
| | Guix |
i don’t think lemmy markdown supports tables, though it should
edit: lemmy uses commonmark which doesn’t appear to support tables
It doesn’t but it is not the proper syntax in the parent comment.