• fastandcurious@lemmy.world
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    I actually made a comment about this down below, it’s not a great approach in most cases, but for eg- A serial killer or a rapist, it will show what will happen if you a devalue someone else’s life

    Do you think a death penalty for netanyahu unfair, in fact not giving a death penalty is unfair to all the children and women and everyone else he has killed

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      it’s not a great approach in most cases

      Any cases.

      Do you think a death penalty for netanyahu unfair, in fact not giving a death penalty is unfair to all the children and women and everyone else he has killed

      Fair? What does fair mean? Does an execution un-kill the victims? What a ridiculous notion that any sort of punishment for a perpetrator could be “fair” for the victims.

      The death penalty is an abject failure. It has no benefits and numerous issues. Practicing barbarism can never be justice.

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        It doesn’t unkill the victims but it definitely will make other people think twice before they do the same thing

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          it definitely will make other people think twice before they do the same thing

          There is absolutely no evidence to support that assertion.

          There is no proof that the death penalty deters criminals. According to the National Academy of Sciences, “Research on the deterrent effect of capital punishment is uninformative about whether capital punishment increases, decreases, or has no effect on homicide rates.”

          US Department of Justice

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            I honestly don’t like to trust a country where you can get away for being a literal child rapist, but the above is just my opinion, we don’t even need evidence to know that the standard strawberry method of giving them merely some jailtime is not working either, but whatever, I am not a law expert

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              we don’t even need evidence to know

              No matter what follows this…yes, we do. You should need evidence to believe anything; understanding of course that the more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the evidence needed.

              giving them merely some jailtime is not working either, but whatever

              Then imprison them for life. Guess what, life imprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty, and can be overturned if there’s an error.

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              I believe that most developed countries have gotten rid of the death penalty, and a big part of that is because it doesn’t work as a deterrent.

              Very few people decide whether or not to commit a crime based on the punishment. Most criminals think they won’t get caught at all, or if they do, they think they’ll get away with it in court.

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                That is my point, anyone who commits this should be always caught and be given the penalty, they should not be able to get away, no matter they are rich are poor

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      I will admit that part of my mind would support making a public example of any fascist leader, but any public execution or punishment serves only to normalize that violence.

      Would I condemn anyone involved with the death of Mussolini? Absolutely not. Best of luck to any Israeli anti fascists in the right time and place.

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        I feel like the problem is that we make emotional decisions, what might seem fair to us might not seem fair to the victims family and vice versa, I feel like I will let the authorities be the one to decide and respect it, I don’t think you normalize violence by a public execution though, instead you instill a feeling of fear in the public about what would happen if you do such a serious crime

        Taliban does a lot wrong, but I can get behind the logic on this kind of thing if I am honest, I feel instead maybe the victims family should be given a choice? Idk

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          you instill a feeling of fear in the public about what would happen if you do such a serious crime

          Do you think the members of the general public are often considering committing those kinds of crimes?

          “Gee whiz, I sure wish I could be a serial killer. Too bad they publicly executed that last serial killer, though! I’d better move to the US, where executions are done in private!”

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            I feel you don’t understand what I am trying to say, but what I am trying is that just one example will probably drop the rate faster than bitcoins value, see places like saudi arabia where crimes are law just because of these laws existing, even if they are not enforced

            And no people won’t get violent, that’s like saying people will get violent by seeing a school shooting, it’s not like a person will get hanged everyday, atmost it might be something like every 5 years, especially if they make it somewhat negotiable with the victims family