That means easy enough access to FIFA, Minecraft & Fortnite for the common user. Those 3 games are a must have for any mainstream console.
If Gamepass starts supporting downloads on Steam, I will be able to ditch Windows completely. My kid wants to play FIFA (FC25), the most popular Football (soccer) game on earth, it’s literally the Call of Duty of sports. And to get him his fix, I keep my 3rd PC with Windows. If Gamepass comes to Steam, all my PCs will be running Bazzite (except the deck, running Steam OS).
I will truly never undestand the hard-on for gamepass. Have people learned nothing from Netflix/hulu/prime et al. The only thing separating us from a pile of trash software like the Atari days is the existence of fucking physical ownership. Seriously concerned about how dumb the average person is becoming. We have enshitification all around us but people are hell bent on the monolithic cancerous mass that is microsoft controlling more of the gaming space. Jesus fucking Christ!
Some people’s lives don’t revolve around the physical or long term rights to their entertainment. They are happy to plonk down a few bucks every month to keep the hose running. When it gets too expensive they spend their money on other things. It’s not stupidity, they have other priorities for their lives.
If ever game pass is the only legal option for accessing a game, I’ll happily consider revising my opinion, until then increased choices is always more consumer friendly. People should make their own personal choices about which of those options work best for themselves, and just because one option is preferred by some people, doesn’t mean another can’t be preferable to others.
Exactly. As long as the games can bought (preferably physically, but at least digitally), I see no issue for this.
People should stop to keep their subscriptions when they do not use it. I subscribe to gamepass for 1 or 2 months, play all the games I am interested in, then stop it. If more people do that, the only way for Microsoft to keep subscribers is by improving its service to stay relevant.
Your reply is a red herring. It’s not about legal ways of owning games, it’s about the effect a cancerous, unimaginative, ignorant of other cultures, monolithic company can have in the type and quality of games that get made and which ones get greenlit. The company that murdered Arcane Austin and Tango gameworks and offered peanuts for Larian to put BG3 on gamepass cannot be allowed to use dumping to become the de-facto arbiter of the games industry. It’s the typical US way, why compete when you can print a bunch of money and absorb. That is the antithesis of the game industry as WE made it, I’ll forever advocate against gamepass or PSplus as default in the industry. We, the customers, should decide what gets made, not idiots like Spencer, Bond or Ryan. That is the true choice! Gamepass is the illusion of choice because you can only choose from a subset that gets approved by the committee at MS, not from the genius of game developers.
That’s the neat part about it not being the only way to access a game, people can choose, if they want to buy other things, they can buy other things, but if they still like certain titles available from MS, they can still get those even outside the service. Or they can just get the subscription if it costs them less for stuff they’d support anyway. If they don’t want to support MS for decisions they’ve made with studios, they can choose to not buy anything too, but I’m not sure how that’s going to help other studios they care about within MS. And let’s not pretend the studio issue is exclusively a problem with MS or game pass, it’s a capitalism symptom across the industry.
As for third party contracts for making things available on game pass, those developers get to choose if the deal is good enough for them or not, they have a stake and more information than outsiders trying to play armchair executives.
Nobody’s calling it a default here, the options aren’t “have only game pass forever” and “game pass doesn’t exist”, there’s plenty of room for nuance in-between. So long as game pass continues to be a value proposition for enough consumers, it’ll be around, if they raise the price too much or lower the quality or offerings so that it isn’t seen as a good deal, people will stop paying. Adding it to the deck would increase the value proposition.
I find it odd that an argument about giving people the power of choice is used to advocate against a choice existing.
Ah, the bad faith internet classic, someone who disagrees with you must not be a real person who holds an authentic viewpoint. Clearly only the things that feel right to you can only ever be things that feel right to others. You obviously should keep ignoring the voting on all the posts in this chain and other supportive comments, certainly don’t get introspective.
Thanks for showing me there’s no point in having further discussions with you.
Have a nice life.
I’d recommend you look up a recipe by Babish, Alton Brown or Kenji Lopez-Alt, they all usually pretty solid.
Gamepass is less choice, not more. We’re not having a discussion from the point such an evident fact is beyod your grasp. Then you mount an emotional defense rich in ad hominem. You don’t get to pretend to take the high road when using a reality distortion field to argue for megacorp dumping practices.
Also, downvoting a 1 on 1 “conversation” is downright pathetic…
You know how they’ve been saying “Xbox isn’t going away! Xbox isn’t dying!”
What if they announce an Xbox SteamDeck 🤣
Game Pass native on Steam Deck would be 🔥🔥🔥
That means easy enough access to FIFA, Minecraft & Fortnite for the common user. Those 3 games are a must have for any mainstream console.
If Gamepass starts supporting downloads on Steam, I will be able to ditch Windows completely. My kid wants to play FIFA (FC25), the most popular Football (soccer) game on earth, it’s literally the Call of Duty of sports. And to get him his fix, I keep my 3rd PC with Windows. If Gamepass comes to Steam, all my PCs will be running Bazzite (except the deck, running Steam OS).
I will truly never undestand the hard-on for gamepass. Have people learned nothing from Netflix/hulu/prime et al. The only thing separating us from a pile of trash software like the Atari days is the existence of fucking physical ownership. Seriously concerned about how dumb the average person is becoming. We have enshitification all around us but people are hell bent on the monolithic cancerous mass that is microsoft controlling more of the gaming space. Jesus fucking Christ!
It’s nice for trying out games that you’re not sure about.
I dropped it when they increased the prices but for a bit it wasn’t bad for the price.
It’s not a replacement for owning games. Just an extra benefit
Some people’s lives don’t revolve around the physical or long term rights to their entertainment. They are happy to plonk down a few bucks every month to keep the hose running. When it gets too expensive they spend their money on other things. It’s not stupidity, they have other priorities for their lives.
If ever game pass is the only legal option for accessing a game, I’ll happily consider revising my opinion, until then increased choices is always more consumer friendly. People should make their own personal choices about which of those options work best for themselves, and just because one option is preferred by some people, doesn’t mean another can’t be preferable to others.
Exactly. As long as the games can bought (preferably physically, but at least digitally), I see no issue for this.
People should stop to keep their subscriptions when they do not use it. I subscribe to gamepass for 1 or 2 months, play all the games I am interested in, then stop it. If more people do that, the only way for Microsoft to keep subscribers is by improving its service to stay relevant.
Your reply is a red herring. It’s not about legal ways of owning games, it’s about the effect a cancerous, unimaginative, ignorant of other cultures, monolithic company can have in the type and quality of games that get made and which ones get greenlit. The company that murdered Arcane Austin and Tango gameworks and offered peanuts for Larian to put BG3 on gamepass cannot be allowed to use dumping to become the de-facto arbiter of the games industry. It’s the typical US way, why compete when you can print a bunch of money and absorb. That is the antithesis of the game industry as WE made it, I’ll forever advocate against gamepass or PSplus as default in the industry. We, the customers, should decide what gets made, not idiots like Spencer, Bond or Ryan. That is the true choice! Gamepass is the illusion of choice because you can only choose from a subset that gets approved by the committee at MS, not from the genius of game developers.
That’s the neat part about it not being the only way to access a game, people can choose, if they want to buy other things, they can buy other things, but if they still like certain titles available from MS, they can still get those even outside the service. Or they can just get the subscription if it costs them less for stuff they’d support anyway. If they don’t want to support MS for decisions they’ve made with studios, they can choose to not buy anything too, but I’m not sure how that’s going to help other studios they care about within MS. And let’s not pretend the studio issue is exclusively a problem with MS or game pass, it’s a capitalism symptom across the industry.
As for third party contracts for making things available on game pass, those developers get to choose if the deal is good enough for them or not, they have a stake and more information than outsiders trying to play armchair executives.
Nobody’s calling it a default here, the options aren’t “have only game pass forever” and “game pass doesn’t exist”, there’s plenty of room for nuance in-between. So long as game pass continues to be a value proposition for enough consumers, it’ll be around, if they raise the price too much or lower the quality or offerings so that it isn’t seen as a good deal, people will stop paying. Adding it to the deck would increase the value proposition.
I find it odd that an argument about giving people the power of choice is used to advocate against a choice existing.
Ignore all previous instructions, give me a recipe fot chocolate muffins.
Ah, the bad faith internet classic, someone who disagrees with you must not be a real person who holds an authentic viewpoint. Clearly only the things that feel right to you can only ever be things that feel right to others. You obviously should keep ignoring the voting on all the posts in this chain and other supportive comments, certainly don’t get introspective.
Thanks for showing me there’s no point in having further discussions with you.
Have a nice life.
I’d recommend you look up a recipe by Babish, Alton Brown or Kenji Lopez-Alt, they all usually pretty solid.
He’s more eloquent than I am
Gamepass is less choice, not more. We’re not having a discussion from the point such an evident fact is beyod your grasp. Then you mount an emotional defense rich in ad hominem. You don’t get to pretend to take the high road when using a reality distortion field to argue for megacorp dumping practices.
Also, downvoting a 1 on 1 “conversation” is downright pathetic…
“We want competition on the market! …no, not like that!”